Podcasting Power Hour: Are Podcast Conferences for Indie Creators? Special Guest Jared Easley from Podcast Movement

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[00:02:25] episode and I hope you have a great time listening to it. Welcome to Podcasting Power Hour with your host Jeff Townsend, aka the Indie podcast father. I'm your co-host Greg from Indie Drop-In Network. Podcasting Power Hour is recorded live every Monday at 9 p.m. Eastern Time on Twitter

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[00:03:14] party started. Greg for all of the individuals who missed you last week can you give us without being too personal? Can you tell us how you're doing? Have you made it? Are you through the other side? Yeah sure sure yeah yeah sure so

[00:03:26] I was in the hospital for seven days and I got some sort of injury in my leg that I did not know about and it got very very infected and I had learned about it

[00:03:38] first by thinking I had like a very bad case of the flu or ate something bad and then my leg literally turned bright red and started creeping up my body

[00:03:50] so that was off to the ER. Now you live to tell the tale. Yeah you can't kill over it. No no they can't it's still trying though. I'm home I have I have to do IV

[00:04:07] antibiotics two times a day and you know see visiting nurses and all this other stuff like you know so if you get a cut or whatever like the moral of the story is you know you bang your leg against something in the garage or you

[00:04:21] know Ottoman or something in your house like immediately disinfect it and clean it and put a band-aid on it or else you might get flesh eating bacteria that tries to murder you in your sleep like me. On the topic of flesh eating bacteria

[00:04:34] before we move on Jeff I swear I'll give it back to you my father-in-law fell off of his sailboat you're already not feeling sorry for him into brackish water and cut his leg on one of the mooring lines and in brackish

[00:04:47] water I guess there is a flesh eating bacteria that's pretty common in Florida and he did he didn't check in on it he didn't clean it like it took a shower but he didn't really pay attention to it and he got I think the same thing

[00:04:59] Greg and he almost lost his leg because he didn't realize it as fast as you did. Yeah serious business man it's serious so all right let's go ahead and get this started. Let's do it. I can't do it spend any time with Tanner

[00:05:14] without drinking I don't know why. You and my mother and my wife and all of people. I have a vitamin water I don't know if that counts. Did you call it vitamin water? No vitamin water but you don't have your ears on or what? I call

[00:05:29] them vitamins anyways welcome to podcasting power hour I'm Jeff Townsend man I can't believe July is almost over with here it's the last Monday of July wow but I'm happy to announce my BFF my bromance my best friend for

[00:05:45] life. Oh Greg is back. Hello everybody I'm Greg creator of Indie drop-in network I'm sure I'll plug it at the end I'm not gonna waste time now but I'm glad to be back and I hope everybody's brought their questions because as you

[00:06:00] can tell I feel a little snarky today. Oh little feisty huh not aware off here when you fall asleep in your recliner in a few minutes likely. Fuzz Martin glad you're back this week last week I assume you were up to your usual City

[00:06:16] Council important duties. I was I was I was getting yelled at about whether or not we should allow you TVs on our which streets so here we are and I'm back yeah I'm Fuzz Martin I'm Chief Strategy Officer and a partner at Epic

[00:06:31] Creative a pull-service advertising agency also former broadcaster and produced few shows and happy to be here I am not drinking today because we my wife and I made a pact to not drink during the week until summer's over so

[00:06:47] I'm drinking a blueberry bubbly. I wish you were different but I wish I was wish I was as strong as you to be able to be in a space without Tanner and I have to drink so thank you. Jim Mallard from the gym I'm gonna be on

[00:07:07] your podcast tomorrow night right? All the millions of quackers is what you call your fans quacks? Yeah well it's on the duck pond I don't know what I called I don't actually have a name for the listeners but yeah so and by the way

[00:07:20] I'm driving my lawn mower down your street I don't care what you say. Oh okay alright. Lawnmowers are fine just new TVs both heads are fine whatever just no UTVs apparently. I can see why that it gets a little bit dangerous that in

[00:07:37] golf carts here in Indiana that seems to be the cool thing. Intercitizens in golf carts I don't know. Anyways the most controversial man in podcasting to say the least today he kind of returned to old form podcasting

[00:07:53] sucks it's the maddest lad Tani Campbell. Hey guys I'm Tanner depending on who you ask I know a lot about podcasting or I know absolutely nothing about it you should go hide under a rock you get to decide for yourself by the end of this

[00:08:08] room probably. I'm gonna go ahead and say the second one so yeah. Is it crazy that I hope there's some of both in the room? That's how I survive man that's my brand. Are we turning this into survivor and we get to be voted off to Ion and

[00:08:25] F we have after the show? Sure no because I'm one of those people just quit. All right let's get to the main event our guest this evening is Jared easily he is the co-founder of podcast movement am I right there Jared?

[00:08:42] I've been called a lot of names and that's one of them. Well appreciate you taking the time to chat with us this evening this is your first Twitter space correct? Yeah shame on me I've never done this but now

[00:08:57] that I see how fun it is I wanted to invite a group of you to come swim with me in murky water in Florida. Is anybody's up for it? I'm in. That's my middle name swim in murky water in Florida. There's a weird

[00:09:10] initiation where you have to cut your hand with a knife and then dive in. Yes and I'm just assuming everyone knew that but if you don't now I know. See Ariel Nissenblatt down there I've tried to invite her speaker but

[00:09:24] she's probably often somewhere like Italy or something busy so we'll go ahead and get going. I see a friend of mine that's a big D it's D'Shawn from St. Louis he's with us tonight so give a shout out to D'Shawn what's up man?

[00:09:42] Really great for me St. Louis. Yeah the D'Shawn is a possible future US senator. He's running for Senate no joke a fellow podcaster here that's going to run for Senate in Missouri so. Incredible yeah congratulations that's

[00:10:04] awesome. Yeah so in the meantime you can if you want to come up and speak you have anything to ask or you want to talk about about podcasting go ahead and request the speaker in the meantime though we'll get the conversation going

[00:10:16] Jared I'm curious how you created this how did it all happen when did this happen? Well I'll start out by saying that this whole event and everything was really just an idea probably not even a good idea at the time

[00:10:34] but it was an idea that stemmed from coming to another event that had a lot of blogging and social media and YouTube and various media type of new media as they dubbed it content for you know creators and so podcasting

[00:10:56] the event was called New Media Expo and it was a little redheaded podcast was a little redheaded stepchild corner of the conference and but when I would attend this event I would meet a lot of people that were interested in

[00:11:11] podcasting or they were starting one and Dan Franks who's the president of podcast movement and the guy that I do business with we were friends and we had heard a number of people say and they were interested in podcasting

[00:11:25] and we kind of thought hey why isn't there an event like this that's just for podcasting because it seems like there's a lot of people here that are interested in podcasting but it's just a very tiny segment of the overall

[00:11:36] event and we had no right to be creating an event Jeff we had no clout so to speak we were not influential by any means we had no email lists we were just new podcasters ourselves so the idea of us trying to

[00:11:55] start what's now become podcast maybe it's really kind of laughable and ridiculous but that's really was just being naive and saying hey let's see if we can create something that podcasters would want to go to

[00:12:10] because at the time we looked around we didn't find anything that was like that so that's kind of the beginning now there were some steps that we took after that if I can get into if you want want to go there but that's kind

[00:12:24] of where the idea stem from so what about you and podcasting okay good question I never really got into blogging when that was a big deal several years back and I just I don't know I just tried it and it didn't resonate

[00:12:41] with me as much and I didn't feel like I was very good at it and it wasn't clear I wanted to want to say and but I but I like the idea of talking

[00:12:48] and so podcasting appealed to me but at the at the time I thought it was too expensive and that I was gonna have to buy hundreds of dollars worth of equipment and just expenses that I couldn't justify in the moment or I

[00:13:02] thought and so I really waited about a year Jeff I'm ashamed to say I waited about a year before I ever started a podcast so I didn't start my podcast so 2013 but I wanted to do it a year before that but I found out about the audio technical 2100

[00:13:19] now it's the 2100x but that mic was a usb mic you just plug into your laptop and it was very affordable I don't remember it might have been like 45 bucks or something and the quality was reasonable and so I bought that mic and

[00:13:34] tried it out and then I realized okay there's no more excuses it's time to start a podcast so that's that's really what pushed me over the edge was I started the show in 2013 that was interview based and

[00:13:46] I made a lot of good connections made a lot of friends and that's kind of what got all this craziness started for me Jim go ahead your hands up Jim go ahead this isn't school man you don't have to raise your hand

[00:14:00] call Jim you know I maybe try to high five me yeah no no I do have a question I put it up on my microphone because I'm special like that you kind of did answer this but I was wondering what the

[00:14:10] time frame for all this was because then you kind of didn't mention that but I was just kind of trying to date backwards and yeah when did you start your podcast so the podcast launched in April of 2013 and then it was later so it was like

[00:14:24] January of 2014 when Dan attended NBD expo that was in Las Vegas and that particular year I want to say it was at the RIO casino in Las Vegas so we went to that event that's where we heard people saying hey you know I'm interested in podcasting

[00:14:42] wasn't there a podcasting conference and we agreed with that and then it was Valentine's Day of 2014 when we launched a crowdfunding campaign a Kickstarter campaign we had again we had no email list no no substantial influence at all is basically

[00:15:02] let's just go contact a bunch of people who've been guests on our show or or who we know are podcasters and see if they'll want to participate want to support and we raised the bare minimum amount of

[00:15:15] money to kind of put on a very small what we you know thought was still a reasonably sized event and then just kind of learned what we didn't know along the way so we did that first event in August of 2014. Did that satisfy your uh did

[00:15:32] that satisfy your gym? That's all I wanted to know. I was just trying to count backwards on fingers and figure these things out. I'm sure it was easier just to ask than try to do the math.

[00:15:44] Hey hey Deshawn, go ahead how are you doing? Hey how you doing? Well my friend remember this? Hey Piss off! All right I gotta tell that story to Sean so that you're gonna a lot of

[00:16:03] people are scratching their head like who's the person? I knew what I meant. So Deshawn is a wrestling fan and as he should be and so we had Eric Bischoff at podcast movement in Nashville.

[00:16:14] He was on a panel and Eric Bischoff used to run WCW who used to have the Monday Night Wars with the WWF or WWE and so this big man in a segment a few years after all of that went down

[00:16:30] fired Eric Bischoff and so Deshawn had the opportunity to fire Eric Bischoff at podcast movement and he did that exact thing. He yelled out Eric Bischoff you're fired and I'll never forget it was one of the funniest things that I've seen

[00:16:45] at any of our events. It made me laugh uncontrollably for several minutes everybody that heard it thought it was funny even if they didn't understand it they just thought it was so random and crazy. So Deshawn you will never live that down. Thank you thank you.

[00:17:03] That was something that I have a lot of great memories from a lot of podcast movements but that was a moment that I'll never forget it was uncomfortable and hilarious and just all the great things. Yeah should have been video taste oh man

[00:17:16] that would have been viral that would have been viral for podcast movement. Definitely unexpected but Deshawn he seized the day he took the moment and you know even Eric Bischoff laughed and Eric Bischoff I'm sure he gets

[00:17:31] he meets a lot of unusual types of folks being from the wrestling world and so for him to meet you and for you to fire him publicly in that podcast movement and he laughed at it I thought that was pretty cool. He was pretty great.

[00:17:45] That was a blast. That was a blast. He handled it well. Thank you thank you. Yeah good job Deshawn. Thank you. Deshawn tell people about your podcast. You have a colleague here right? Yes basically it is comedy generally but it also variety because I not only do

[00:18:06] try to do comedy as much as I can but I ran about different things. I just did a podcast earlier today and also I do NFL perdition but just for bragging rights. I also do traveling postcards like I would do both of the

[00:18:26] conventions that I love to go to. I'm addicted to them now. I am so addicted to podcasting conventions oh my god I mean it's just ridiculous. I just love having guests on my podcast. It is so it is so addicted to me.

[00:18:45] I love letting them speak and I love having them have a platform on the show so it's just a labor of love something that do even though you know I may be depressed. If they say that you're supposed to lose different things that you love but podcasting

[00:19:06] oh I'll still continue to do that. Well Deshawn I know you're not going to say this but I'm going to let people know because not everyone knows you. Deshawn battles a disability but he has never let that stop him.

[00:19:17] He's always kept a good attitude. He's worked really hard with his podcast and as I mentioned he is running for senate in the state of Missouri. Lieutenant Governor 2024 I take that don't work out. Yeah Lieutenant Governor is your plan B so I want to commend you Deshawn.

[00:19:36] I know there's probably some people being like man this guy is a little bit out there but Deshawn you're a source of inspiration. I really appreciate all that you do. Thank you.

[00:19:45] You bring to the podcast community and you know just thank you for not letting things that might limit some folks preventing you from putting yourself out there so good job. Thank you.

[00:19:55] Thank you for having me and guys thank you for letting this great guest came out and he's an influencer y'all. He's a huge leader y'all so watch out for Jerry. He's a big leader.

[00:20:07] Whether I deserve that or not thank you. You're welcome. It's nice meeting you. Nice meeting you. All right Jeff so let's continue with what we're talking about. Yeah sure. Yeah so go ahead.

[00:20:22] Yeah so Jared I got a quick question. Yeah I've always wondered like I came across podcast movement from the Facebook group you know because I'm 97 years old so that's a lie

[00:20:33] that's just because Jeff makes fun of me. Okay. What kind of success do you think the Facebook group contributed to the overall podcast movement because that group is pretty active and pretty large?

[00:20:49] Yeah I think the group has really kind of taken on a life of its own which in some cases is awesome and in some cases it's created a lot of I guess challenges from an admin standpoint so you get

[00:21:05] some people that are genuinely in there to just help and be gracious and you have some people who are kind of leveraging it for selfish purposes and self promotion and then you're having to determine which is which and kind of sounds like Tanner. It's not Tanner. Well yeah

[00:21:20] I mean we've dealt with a little bit of everything and I would love to tell you that we've always handled it perfectly. We haven't but we definitely have some things in place now

[00:21:30] and Facebook's created some AI type of moderation that's made it I would say a lot easier it's not made it perfect but it's certainly made it easier to catch certain things that we probably wouldn't allow. But do you think it's contributed to the attendance in the show considerably?

[00:21:50] Or no? I don't know. You know there's a lot of people if you posted in the Facebook group and be like hey did you know there's an event in Dallas next month you might get a lot of people

[00:21:59] coming and be like huh what are you talking about like there's a lot of people that join the group that really don't even know podcasts movement has an event so I think that's mixed.

[00:22:09] I do think that it's a great discovery place for people that are interested in learning more about podcasting connecting with other podcasters and they're gonna potentially find out about the conference but yeah I'd say maybe a majority or you know let's say a good number of people in

[00:22:25] that group probably don't even know that we have an event and we try to do everything we can to make that you know painfully obvious but uh you know sometimes that's that's not uh it doesn't

[00:22:36] work that way so I think the group is great for discoveries for people learning more about podcasting for people connecting with other podcasters and I would say a percentage of that group do become aware of podcast movement events and things like that and they have supported

[00:22:53] that but uh you know it'd be wonderful if we had 75,000 you know plus people attend our conference but that's how many people can't play with it. How many people do attend you? You know I would

[00:23:06] let's say um you're right for COVID we didn't event in Orlando we had you know 3000 plus and then we did an event um in Nashville last year and we had about I would want to say a little over

[00:23:20] 2,000 in person and then we had maybe you know almost that online virtually so um you know it's hard to say I'd like to think maybe Dallas might pull in 2500 or something I don't know

[00:23:36] I don't I'm not sure what what it's gonna end up being but it should be it should be a reasonable attendance and you know I don't know if it'll be pre-COVID as big as pre-COVID then people who do

[00:23:46] events they've seen this and they can testify to this is sometimes your biggest swell of registrations is literally like the week or two before the event so while we have a decent

[00:23:57] number of attendees as of now um you know we're gonna see a swell that's probably most likely gonna pop up here in a little bit and you could end up with more than you expected or

[00:24:08] about right where you thought it'd be so it's hard to say but if I had to guess I'd say maybe 2000 to 2500 maybe in person that's my guess fair now that's pretty good Jim go ahead then we'll go

[00:24:21] to Gary he's at his hand it I just want to know how we come to select these cities because I've been up in the northeast I'm just kind of feeling a little left out well we do love the

[00:24:31] northeast let the record reflect that so we have tried to have events in the northeast we've had some smaller stuff in Boston and a couple other places but we haven't had a podcast

[00:24:43] movement up that way just yet but we did Philly a few years back but you know right now we've just been kind of making the rounds and it'll be in Dallas this summer and then we have evolutions

[00:24:54] event that's in March that's going to be in Las Vegas and then I don't think it's Denver baby yeah Denver is 2023 so that's that's in Colorado we've not been to Denver yet we're

[00:25:07] excited about that and then in 2024 will be in DC so not northeast completely but closer I'll show you I'll show you around when you get here Jared I don't know if you want to be shown around but

[00:25:19] but I'll show you don't even have a car yeah I'm not the I'm not the dispensary type but I'll definitely uh I definitely what kind of bigoted comment I don't smoke weed just because I live

[00:25:30] in Colorado I live I smoke weed because I like it I'm not applying I was saying that just in case Matt Gibson who's joined us if he thought you know that I might be interested in that but I'm not so

[00:25:42] hey Jared's a straight edge that's all I'm I do gotta give a shout out to Matt Gibson Matt as a podcaster he does the Kingdom of Rock it started out with he was just interviewing a lot of really

[00:25:54] amazing rock stars and learning how they make a living in this kind of new age of music and and now Matt is actually a tech entrepreneur he's starting a an app that's going to help

[00:26:08] people that that have PTSD and have anxiety disorder listen to music I might you may need to kick in here Matt and correct me but basically figure out what kind of music what kind of playlists they listen to that really can help them when they're when they're struggling

[00:26:22] with anxiety so it's called neural neural tunes so stay tuned for that so I'm excited for Matt and kind of the cool things that he's doing then the leadership that he has in the podcast space

[00:26:32] and then the tech space Matt did you want to kind of share a little bit about neural tunes real quick well the first thing I wanted to do is say if you guys are on the fence about going to podcast

[00:26:43] movement it's a life-changing experience especially if you've never been there before because to see that many independent broadcasters all in one place you know building their audiences you're going to have these conversations at the bar and at restaurants and events and stuff with all

[00:27:01] these people and you're going to learn so much from the from just being around that many smart people trying to to be independent broadcasters so highly recommended I'll be there too so if you

[00:27:15] see the guy with the big hair walking around in a suit maybe give me a wave and pull me aside and we'll have a chat but yeah I just we're building a tech startup and it came out of my podcast

[00:27:29] because we'd interviewed over 100 rock stars during COVID and because we got all these people on the show we're like well why don't we open up a zoom and just let them network and because all the

[00:27:42] musicians were out of work so we threw all of that networking I mixed it up with some tech people and we just we started a tech startup called Neuropeans where we listen to your biometrics

[00:27:55] while you're listening to music and then we can determine how your music is making you feel and it's your own music and so then we can we know what music is best to help you feel

[00:28:06] better if you're anxious or depressed or maybe you need to get a little extra push at the gym or whatever it is or performance at work so but that came from a podcast so

[00:28:17] a podcast community so you can and that's my that's the people that I interviewed that came out of so a podcast doesn't necessarily have to be about building an audience although I highly

[00:28:28] recommend that but at the same time it can also be just about the people that you get to talk to and ask anything you want that's that's why I started the podcast because I wanted to

[00:28:39] learn how to make it in the music business and so I've talked with tons of people in the industry and I'm working on my music career right now I moved to Vegas I'm here doing all kinds of stuff

[00:28:51] and and Jared has been a great mentor to me and inspired me to try a whole bunch of things that I wouldn't have tried so props to you and thanks for being a cool dude Jared but but not the dispensary right just in case Tanner was tempted so

[00:29:07] yeah no straight edge fair enough old straight edge Jared that's what they call listen I got I got a question for Jared let's get back on track here yeah let's let's let's here's my question for Jared Jared

[00:29:19] yes two things let's start with the easy one when podcast movement first started it was like it was baby diapers dude it was like you guys were must have been in so far over your head and now

[00:29:30] it's a fucking behemoth on the circuit right you guys are the biggest podcast conference maybe globally is that true I believe that's true what are the heart give me one of or two

[00:29:42] of the hardest lessons you've learned over these I mean it's 10 years almost well we made a lot of mistakes in the beginning and we were too kind of new and naive to to really process that

[00:29:59] we were I guess like I guess we were just so excited to be starting something that had potential that we didn't mind it but I look back now and think about those first few years it was

[00:30:09] four years before we ever made any money we didn't get paid anything so we had day jobs and and then on top of our day jobs we worked you know like another full-time job

[00:30:20] planning and organizing these events and I look back now and be like man how did we survive that that was that was really tough my wife thought I was crazy and we had enough I'm sorry I went out

[00:30:33] there but we had enough proof of concept at the time to continue on and so several lessons that I think we learned early on was we the second year I believe was we had an event in Fort Worth

[00:30:48] and we were all excited and just put countless hours into preparing for it and and delivered what we thought was a really exciting and good event that kind of helped us to start networking

[00:31:00] with other circles and other niches of podcasts other than just kind of the business niche which was the first year primarily and so we had a lot of nice wins there but when we did the math and

[00:31:12] figured everything out and we ended up being 40 000 dollars in the hole so we had worked you know tirelessly to try to put on this great event and then you know to owed 40 grand and

[00:31:27] I'll never forget that was that was very deflating we were hearing from people that had attended podcast movement and said oh you know because I attended podcast movement I got all these clients

[00:31:38] and you know I made six figures and we owed 40 grand so we were like oh this is probably not worth it thankfully what we did learn from that to get back to your question Tanner was we we determined

[00:31:55] what we what mistakes we made and what guard drills we needed to put in place and and then just decided okay we're gonna you know learn from this we're not gonna just uh

[00:32:05] you know take the beating and then just give up so we we did insert some some guard drills some of these things were pretty obvious to us now but they weren't there and so you know things

[00:32:17] like affiliate links we had we were paying out a little too much in affiliate links and people that would sell a ticket to somebody who might have purchased or registered for podcast movement anyway so we're kind of cannibalizing ourselves with some of the affiliate

[00:32:33] deals we we had way too much money that was spent on trying to bring in certain marquee type of speakers and we really didn't have the budget for that kind of stuff and we we approved it because

[00:32:45] we thought we needed it and we realized moving forward okay we got to be more a lot more you know we just can't do that like we've done it before so there those are two prime examples

[00:32:56] was a lot more but just just uh and then getting feedback from everybody okay what you know what needs to happen the next year and every every event that we do we always try to get feedback

[00:33:07] at the at the end of the event and there's so many great ideas that come up that we didn't think of that other people say hey what if you did this and you know we try to implement those and

[00:33:16] I think the event continues to evolve and hopefully get better as it grows because of you know listening to people and making that a priority and then I'm gonna say one last thing and some people this might resonate with and some might not but it was an important

[00:33:32] decision that we decided on and that was in the very beginning we Dan I determined that we would not try to be the faces of podcast movement we wouldn't put our face all over

[00:33:43] the banners and we wouldn't put our face on social media and like we wouldn't be the keynote speakers and and we we decided hey if we're gonna really try to create a community a podcast

[00:33:55] community then we really can't try to be the the spotlight we need to take that spotlight on the attendees and put it on the community and not put it on ourselves and um there's nothing wrong with personal branding I think personal branding is very important I think

[00:34:12] people do that right and do that well I think that's a skill and something that's that's got a lot of benefit to it but we we kind of took that opposite approach with podcast movement

[00:34:22] and now I believe that that turned out to be a a good move because we really didn't have like I said the influence to to say okay we we have the authority to create

[00:34:32] this behemoth conference as you said Dan or like we who are we to create this like we're not really anybody special we're not anybody that's that important we just threw a party so

[00:34:43] to speak and invited a bunch of people and they were gracious enough to come and then it just kind of picked up and the timing was right uh yeah there was a lot of work that went into it

[00:34:51] and we have a great team and and we have a lot of really gracious people in the community that supported it but but that's the truth is is we're not any better than anybody else

[00:35:02] and it was the right time right place and we just got kind of got lucky and and we really doubled down on quality and and just being careful with you know how we spent money and

[00:35:14] put back into the the event and and so now I think that those decisions over the last several years have really put us in a position that we're now in but we couldn't be in that

[00:35:24] position had we not made those sacrifices early on uh so it's it's not been a a just though overnight you know we just created this event it was an instant win I mean

[00:35:35] you know there were some wins along the way but it uh it certainly uh didn't come easy and and now we're a place now where we're just growing and it has a good reputation but I

[00:35:44] think that's because a lot of sacrifice that were made uh early on uh which I look back now and realize okay that was good that was the right thing to do so well it's it's also

[00:35:55] a good move to not be the face of something because if you are it means when you guys decide okay you know it's time for us to maybe move on to the next project or retire then it doesn't die

[00:36:07] somebody else can take it over so one more question and I'll bounce it back to Jeff and just a heads up chair this isn't meant to be a tough question it's meant to be I think

[00:36:15] people want to know about this so I'm going to ask it might be tough but not for that reason you guys took an absolute drubbing as most companies who did anything did in 2020

[00:36:26] how did you handle that and what specifically have you changed about podcast movement to be more I mean I don't know COVID proof or something I don't mean like ways of I don't mean on site I mean

[00:36:40] how do you ensure in today's world with COVID that that we don't have another 2020 repeat that it doesn't get canceled what are you guys doing differently in that regard well you know I mean everybody that's in events struggled with that that was hard

[00:36:59] we handled it probably as good as anybody could but that's it I think you know we have a number of we try to discern what the local safety protocols are where we're having the event and then

[00:37:12] based on that we do our best to with assistance from the hotel and you know with our staff and volunteers everything make sure you know those are implemented I thought in Nashville we did a reasonable job where we had buttons that basically gave people an understanding of someone's

[00:37:33] comfort level so as you know like a green button would signify ham okay with with you know being in close proximity and talking to someone and I don't necessarily need a mask and

[00:37:44] a yellow was someone that was being more cautious and maybe wanted some more personal space and a red was hey you know I've got a mask on I'd like for you to have a mask on people I think for the

[00:37:53] most part they were kind about that and consider it and I don't know that's necessary in Dallas this summer to quite have that extreme as we did last summer but it might be so we'll

[00:38:07] we'll just kind of pay attention to it and go with it and implement what we need to implement to try to keep us safe and but yeah that's that's difficult for anybody doing events it's it's

[00:38:20] and there is you know let's just be honest if you're going out you're flying you're traveling and stuff you you're taking a little bit of risk so you know hopefully people are

[00:38:30] comfortable and they'll be at the event they'll feel safe and they'll be able to go home and not get sick and but yeah that that's really some of that is in our hands and some of it isn't so

[00:38:42] we do we do what we can so yeah and and to be fair to Jared for anybody who didn't attend podcast movement in Tennessee they did a great job those buttons I thought were really cool they

[00:38:51] provided masks on site the event didn't feel like there was ever too many people in one place or it was really spread out because you guys had at the Grand La Pree which is a huge

[00:39:00] venue it was impressive that you could even feel it I mean it was amazing um so that's all I've got how about you Jeff what do you got I'd like to say two things first of all I found that comment interesting Tanner about

[00:39:12] your agreeing with him not to be the face of the event that's a weird thing for somebody to say that literally has your face on their podcast cover well my podcast would die if I died it's

[00:39:22] not an event I also thought of that I wanted to ping you and tell you to put my cover art up in the nest I don't think it's wrong to have your face on your cover right by the way

[00:39:35] what that face it is though my face on my t-shirt that I'm wearing right now and I'm at home face it might be wrong I have seen Tanner's face and I yeah I know I think uh I think

[00:39:47] that's Tanner has a certain vibe that Tanner has a face the Tanner you got that vibe where that resonates with certain folks and there's some people they may pass and shame on them but

[00:39:59] what you're telling me do your thing he doesn't he doesn't seem like the type of guy that would be good at social distancing anyways we'll move on Gary you've had your hand up forever thank you for being

[00:40:10] patient hi Gary thank you um you ever watch uh America's Got Talent yeah I'm going to be on it next season okay what do you do my my talent is Dougie Bear Bboo Twi Bird and other voices

[00:40:26] as I do more okay so you do like cartoon voices basically like we nothing there much there yogi you let me get me in trouble yogi uh that is that really you or is that

[00:40:41] you hit play on an app there that's not a big give us some more then we will uh go to the next speaker we'll give you just another two maybe Jeff you should give him a sentence to read

[00:40:52] yeah hey what are you thinking new people but you're gonna get me in trouble yogi what are you thinking about Amber here dear yogi she's pretty cool dear people that shows what i'm doing it

[00:41:04] hmm well I hope uh I hope you get that golden buzzer man I really do yeah I don't know that you will but I hope you get it shower to golden confetti I can already picture it

[00:41:15] actual greeny greeny come quick and quick I thought I saw pretty big greeny oh did see a pretty big greeny well magnificent that's that's very amazing well done thank you Gary for stopping by you're welcome don't forget to watch me on next season I will I'll be looking

[00:41:37] for it so they're going to put it on they're going to put it on youtube and then after it's put on youtube then it'll be aired on tv on NBC this is why jeff didn't give me hosting ability

[00:41:51] I think uh I think there's people who are listening to this that'd be like hey I'd like to have Gary uh maybe do a little promo for my podcast so so maybe get Gary get some uh

[00:42:01] some love from the group here from from those uh impressions oh magnificent yeah that's that's a magnificent jared we should just uh if I'm going to do that right now I need a voice over

[00:42:11] need a voice for the podcasting power hour Gary could uh hook you up exactly amazing amazing plug there there you go podcasting power hour is part of indy drop-in network if you are a

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[00:42:42] to indy drop-in dot com to learn more all right Greg you have any questions man I know you're recovering I'm not uh opening the wallet for that sorry jeff yeah I'm not even sure what that means jeff Greg's my money guy he's talking about his prison wallet

[00:43:05] we probably don't want to know anymore I'm not unvelk growing my wallet to give you money for a tweety bird power hour voice over I'm sorry well that's just over the edge how do we know that

[00:43:17] Gary's not a very generous person and maybe he wants to uh you know you know just put it out there to promote himself oh yeah so then we see him at podcast me am I about to be the voice of reason

[00:43:27] is that gonna happen he reminds me that I owe him a favor we'll see how that goes okay well yeah you're right do I need my bell do I need my bell guys can we get on with this proceed yeah let's

[00:43:40] Greg I challenge you to ask a question I guess we'll go to fuzz yeah I just uh so we run a lot of trade shows and such for clients and when march 2020 hit we really had to adjust our

[00:43:59] business model as an agency because we obviously everything changed so thankfully we are we also have a full video team in house so we were uh able to adjust and help people virtually but I just

[00:44:12] wanted to say kudos to you for being able to keep things rolling through all of that because it was difficult all around and um don't really have a question but just wanted to say great work

[00:44:24] you know another thing that popped up fuzz from the covid experience on our side was a realization that hey we we shouldn't have all the eggs and just the event basket we should

[00:44:34] have other streams of revenue and and um that was a good thing because we put some more focus into things like podcast newsletters and and professional services some other some other ways to create

[00:44:49] revenue streams that we didn't have prior and so I think even though covid was very difficult no it was an eye opener I'm really thankful to say it helped us kind of come up with some new

[00:44:59] things for the company overall and then I'm proud also that we never had to pay anyone off we were able to keep our team and pay them and yeah that wouldn't fund some months but we we did that and

[00:45:11] you know now everybody's uh been able to stick with us so we didn't lose anybody so I'm thankful for that how big is the team um we have about seven full-time employees and then we got you

[00:45:22] know multiple contractors uh so all our full-time employees stayed on and then you know our contractors they uh were still able to work with us in the various capacities you know that you know

[00:45:35] depending on what they do but yeah we were still able to keep people around and not have to lay anyone off and or you know take a pause or anything like that and that was you know a

[00:45:47] little bit tight there at times and that required some sacrifice too uh yeah I took a pay cut and some of that hasn't come back to me yet and maybe it does maybe it doesn't but

[00:45:57] you know it's just a way to keep the team you know together and I don't have any regrets it was a good thing so definitely don't start a business with Tanner then if you're looking to get that money back

[00:46:08] Edwardo you have a question Ed? Yeah sorry I'm lucky my dog says we're doing this uh yeah we were supposed to hear a pitch from a guy about four weeks ago did we ever get it because I've been

[00:46:22] in the room every week never heard this guy's pitch he wanted us to help him and he never shows up and does it did I miss it? No no no you're talking about Dave in his new business podcast

[00:46:33] no he's not even in here we'll stay him on here I will look for him next time we'll hunt him down for next weekend I worked with him on getting that pitch like tight as well he did a pretty good

[00:46:47] job and he was DMing me and we got some stuff figured out for him and I was hoping he'd come here and show and tell him thought maybe he did it while I was at a board meeting but uh

[00:46:59] yeah he's uh he's ghosted us got all the work for free all that jelly and no toast well yeah I'm not gonna comment on that but I do want to give a quick shout out to

[00:47:12] someone who's in the audience my second favorite Denver resident which of course Tanner has to be number one right so Michelle Jackson who's here and Michelle is just somebody that I really appreciate and she's actually put together some some really cool stuff for

[00:47:29] podcasters helping them figure out unique ways to monetize and she's kind of reaching toward the person that's not getting all the downloads and not crushing it as they say they're still trying to work through it and so I don't know if we can put Michelle

[00:47:43] on the speaker list here but I'd love to hear from Michelle Michelle give give us a little bit of an update on what you're working on and for anyone who's not familiar with you

[00:47:52] I'd love for you to be able to do a quick intro yeah we met Michelle last week actually and she's already my favorite person from Denver yeah how do we make her a speaker I'm not sure I said her request she's there she is

[00:48:11] ask she's being humble oh there she is okay I'm just slow to do that thank you Jared I was so excited to see you in the room I just got off my own space so my name is Michelle Jackson I run

[00:48:29] a couple different podcasts but my main one is called Michelle's Money Hungry I talked about personal finance but the project that Jared is talking about is called podcasters getting paid and the project is specifically geared towards podcasts with 10,000 or fewer downloads per month

[00:48:51] and and just the ways you can monetize those projects it is not trying to get people to monetize who don't want to monetize it's for people who have identified that they want to monetize their projects but they're really not sure what that looks like for either their fiction

[00:49:08] or nonfiction pursuits excuse me podcast podcasts that have fewer than 10,000 listens a month so that's all of them there's there's a quarter two yeah the thing is like when you go to a lot of sessions at conferences typically industry professionals will always be like well we

[00:49:32] won't work with you until you get 10,000 downloads and advertise cast they will and for me I got frustrated because I'm like well I'm getting paid um and it doesn't make sense that people keep

[00:49:46] hearing this messaging when I knew that there were other ways you could do a thing you could get paid more than one way right and so that's why I launched this very uh accessible product

[00:49:59] and project and it's something I've been talking about for like I want to say four years I've been talking about this and finally I just decided to create a tool around it so I'm so glad that you did

[00:50:14] and um yeah Michelle is an author she does she does a lot of really cool stuff so definitely somebody to keep on the radar I'm a big fan so thanks Michelle yep me too you're also my favorite Jackson now over there so congratulations wow

[00:50:36] no seriously that sounds awesome what you're doing and uh it was good to see you again hearing you again you know what I mean all right I'm gonna ask a question but I'm gonna let the

[00:50:46] greatest song the greatest song have no blah blah blah you know what every fucking week I can't ever say that I don't know why the fuck should I start should I start logging in under my

[00:50:59] personal account because it's so much easier to say yes takes it shows up here every week for you and you can't get a show name right once he's a super follower too that shows you how bad I am

[00:51:13] I'm super followed I'm super followed what's up Jeff what's up everybody I just came in to say thank you to Tanner who you know some people say is is not helpful because I'm going to launch

[00:51:24] my first billboard in a karaoke city and uh I wouldn't have thought of that if it hadn't been for Mr. Tanner Campbell we need to thank Jim you need to thank Jim Mallard yeah Jim inspired me I

[00:51:37] wouldn't have been able to give you that advice if I didn't get the advice from Jim well thanks Jim thanks thanks uh I guess you're my grandpa in this advice you're the grandpa advice and

[00:51:46] and uh Tanner's the father of the advice and Jeff is like Jeff was the podcast father but now he's just the guy who always messes up my name so yeah I was gonna say you're walking for the advice

[00:51:56] and the Jeff well maybe he'll get this uh greatest song ever sung poorly correct sometime I mean it's not that hard I mean I think Jim got it on the first try Jeff first try Jeff and Jim got it

[00:52:10] the greatest guest ever intro'd poorly there you go I like that it wouldn't be a power outer if I could say it right though you know what I mean so Jared I have a question for you

[00:52:21] there's a lot of people I've had a lot of my followers uh DM me or or talk to me and ask about what podcast movement is obviously we've kind of touched up on that but to you why is it

[00:52:32] beneficial to attend to let's say if you're somebody just getting into podcasting and I guess the term I drive to the moon an indie podcaster like a new indie podcaster what's your selling point and what are the benefits of attending well whether it's podcast

[00:52:50] movement or it's you know things like podcasting power hour or it's things like Michelle's course you know hoping to monetize I think you know immerse yourself where you can when you can into the podcast movement or into the podcast community as a whole because they're

[00:53:08] I think it's fair to say not just in podcast movement but just in podcasting in general most people are very generous most people are collaborative most people are synergistic in their mindset and you don't always see that in other niches and other places

[00:53:23] so so you know people that you might not have anything in common with outside of you know podcasting you need to start talking about podcasts and then you know you can create a friendship from

[00:53:33] that and you know bond and connection maybe even a business partnership or some kind of collaborative idea but we've seen that time and time again so podcast movement I think is is just a party it's just a place for for podcasters that want to come together

[00:53:49] and I think podcast movements unique and this is kind of a tooting our horn I guess but it's not intended to be um vanity driven or anything like that but there's people that are at podcast movement that you might not get access to

[00:54:05] um just just any other way so a lot of the big podcast industry folks are in the room and in the hallways and those are the people that are you know involved in

[00:54:20] iHeart or Apple or Spotify or some of these others Pandora I could name you know serious XM all these different you know entities that are out there and there's a number of these groups

[00:54:34] that are actually willing to talk to you and willing to get to know you and if they get to know you and they like what you're doing they might promote you and some there's opportunities where there's spotlights and different things where you can potentially get your podcast exposed

[00:54:50] and if they know who you are and they like you and you've created a rapport with these folks you could be one of those folks that gets mentioned in this blast that they put out

[00:54:59] from time to time so it's pretty awesome to have those opportunities we've seen that happen time and time again where somebody came to the event they got to know someone from Apple or from Spotify or something and the next thing though they were featured in this thing and

[00:55:12] it was really just because I got on the radar and they were you know not annoying or me me me but just trying to you know get to know people and network and do it the right way and so that's

[00:55:26] uh one of the reasons podcast movement I think is really great is is several years back there was less synergy there was less learning across the various niches of podcasting and we're starting

[00:55:40] to see that a lot more you'll you'll see the various categories of podcasts learn from each other and that wasn't the case um you know back in 2013 and so I don't want to say podcast movement

[00:55:50] is is the only reason for that but I definitely think we've played a part in that and and now you see more people who are learning and say okay I see what these folks are doing over here

[00:56:00] and it's working for them let me try that in the niche that I'm in uh funny example I've shared before but I I love this story is a woman who's uh into bird watching and she has a popular podcast

[00:56:10] in that niche uh she came to podcast movement her name is Marty and she speaks at universities about birds and she's pretty well respected in that field uh she asked her like what what a

[00:56:23] session did you go to that you thought was helpful and the answer made me laugh because it was a you know not one I expected she said oh I went to the you know the wrestlers

[00:56:34] the the guys were talking about how they engage with their audience and how they do their patreon how they do live podcasting events and you know all these different things that I can

[00:56:42] go back and I can apply to the bird watching podcast and it it made me laugh because I thought well where's what other places there where the bird watchers learning from the wrestling

[00:56:52] fan or whatever um so it's a random uh but I love that example that but I think that's a pretty good example of you know the people that you might not think you could learn from you can actually

[00:57:04] learn a lot from there's a lot of really smart people podcast movement most of them are pretty gracious so if nothing else you'll you'll network and you will likely come away very encouraged very uh excited about what you're doing what your idea is and probably you've had several

[00:57:19] conversations with people that give you suggestions on how you could maybe make that idea better sounds like a lot of that happens here in the podcasting power hour where people all of a sudden put up billboards and you know see when so that's kind of conversations that

[00:57:30] happen in podcast movement too just people are trying to help one another and and uh then you hear stories you know the following year or the year after that where you know somebody

[00:57:40] tried something that they heard and got an idea from them and you know they've seen some progress and you know they're uh continuing to grow and continue to learn so I think those are

[00:57:49] those are good reasons to consider being a part of podcast movement come to the event Jared what is the difference between podcast movement the main events and podcast movement evolutions this is somewhat of a new thing right this will be your third one

[00:58:05] coming up evolutions yeah that's a good question so the the second event is primarily focused on the west coast we were doing a lot of uh kind of central and east coast stuff but not as much

[00:58:18] west coast we've done one podcast movement man i'm a few years back and so we wanted something that was more on the west coast and then um we found that uh we had more people that were

[00:58:30] industry focused that were coming to evolution so that a piece of that event is really focused for folks in the industry specifically but there's a lot of people that are regular podcasters that would come podcast maybe they would also want to come to evolution so

[00:58:46] that's how we determined okay we have uh the tracks are completely different from podcast movement so at evolutions you have a beginner podcaster track where all of the sessions would be appropriate for someone who's at a beginning level you have a pro

[00:59:00] podcaster track that all those sessions are relevant to the person that's been doing it as a professional and then you have an industry track that all of those sessions are going to be industry specific so that's really what evolutions is where podcast movement in dallas is going to

[00:59:15] be kind of a choose your own adventure you've got a marketing track you've got a monetization track you've got a creation track you've got you know all these different tracks that are on these different topics and pain points that podcasters deal with and so you can say well

[00:59:26] i want to go to this particular session uh but i don't want to be married to just the marketing track i want to go over here to the creation track or i want to go you know learn about this other thing so there's a number of different uh

[00:59:38] sessions and different topics that you can go to um at podcast movement uh where evolutions you just kind of say okay i'm this is kind of where i'm at in the podcast space and so

[00:59:49] i'm gonna buy a ticket based on kind of where i'm at and learn from the sessions that are kind of focused on you know that particular uh role if that makes sense so

[01:00:05] tary silent for the first time ever no i figured you were going to take it after that i've got more questions if you want to slack off he was taking a sip

[01:00:14] exactly no you can go ahead and ask another one here i think we have just a few more minutes but we'll go over a little bit i'm if that's okay with jared yeah of course so podcast movement is

[01:00:24] i mean i think the first thing everybody sees when they go to get a ticket especially if they've waited to the last minute as you say many people do is they think oh man okay

[01:00:33] this is gonna be a few hundred bucks like i paid five hundred dollars for my ticket 500 something for some others that i that i bought for people who couldn't afford to go and some of those people

[01:00:41] that i bought tickets for said you know what thanks for the ticket but it's not just that it's also the hotel accommodations and the airfare so we're talking about what are the benefits of going to this at what stage you know podcasters podcasting age podcasting maturity

[01:00:59] do you think is like the perfect time for a podcaster to attend or do you think there is one you think it doesn't matter because i because i feel like somebody's brand new out of the gate

[01:01:10] it's a big investment for somebody's brand new out of the gate so we're looking for somebody who's in like year two year one um i don't think so tanner i think that's a completely fair

[01:01:21] question and i personally don't think that it should uh it should matter if times are hard and you know you're kind of uh needing to focus your your finances on other things then you should

[01:01:35] absolutely be doing that you shouldn't be taking a trip to dallas to come to a conference um and that's okay but there are virtual tickets if somebody says you know i really do want to

[01:01:47] learn this and and the travel is just too much we do our best to create options and there's some people that are overseas and things it's just too expensive to fly to texas and

[01:01:57] so we have the virtual ticket and so we try to create win-wins but we realize you know at the end of the day we're a business we have to keep the lights on we have to pair staff we have to

[01:02:07] do certain things so we have to charge money um and that's okay but um there are some people that you know they're not in a position to commit to this right now and and that's okay too

[01:02:17] but but for those that are uh i would say even if if you're not a podcaster yet you'll come and you'll get really good ideas on what you think you want to pursue and maybe you know

[01:02:26] some smarter ways to pursue that whether it's you know what kind of mics you should be using or you know what kind of marketing you should consider for your show or uh what kind of

[01:02:36] framework things like that um so i i i definitely agree with you uh tan or it's a commitment and if you can make the commitment i think it's it's it's worth it's it's a worthy commitment

[01:02:47] if it's not something you can swing right now you shouldn't beat yourself up you should you should definitely um take your time and and if you can come come and if you can't uh

[01:02:55] you know we try to we try to make win wins we give out scholarships so there's some people that have hit us up and said hey i can afford this for a ticket and um is it is it an option for me to

[01:03:05] be able to make it and we talk to the team we see okay is there a way to figure out a discount or something so we we try to come up with with you know ways to help people we really don't want

[01:03:15] the money to be the ultimate end all be all but we realize you know that's you can't you know always win on that side so you just do the best you can but we try and

[01:03:26] uh and yeah for people that uh aren't able to commit and go to an event right now that's okay that's why you have a lot of free wonderful free options like the facebook group which you know

[01:03:35] there's no charge there you can go in the group you can ask questions all day you can network you can learn a lot just from doing that uh so there's there's tons of wonderful content

[01:03:44] like like tanner puts out and things like this this podcasting power hour where uh even if you never attended an event you can still network you can still get good ideas and and um you should

[01:03:54] you should do those things so i i think podcast movement is great obviously because you know it's a business and it's something i'm a part of but uh for the podcaster in general i say

[01:04:03] depending on your your situation financially if you can go to events do it and if you can't you know don't feel bad there's lots of really great resources out there and just tap into those and keep pursuing what you feel compelled to pursue

[01:04:15] cool uh well with that let's do kind of like a can we do a round robin jeff because yeah michelle it's her hand though oh shoot i'm sorry michelle i'm not gonna be able to get the plug for url

[01:04:26] link that's why i want to talk about the accessibility podcast movement and cost i think that um there are a couple of things that people if they're they're really passionate about it and they want to go um the first run for tickets most conferences have really affordable

[01:04:45] tickets it you know that are sold typically and i'm not speaking for jared but this has been my experience right after the the last uh conference ends there are scholarships i have uh for other events i've received scholarships to attend where um maybe other attendees are providing them

[01:05:05] uh there are oftentimes and i don't know about podcast movement this has happened occasionally there might be opportunities to volunteers i think that there's more than one way to do a thing um and that if someone's really uh excited to go like it's 20 it's august next week is

[01:05:26] august 2022 if you want to go next year maybe you use you're like okay i'm in a side hustle once a month and that's the money i allocate towards that nothing too stressful because life

[01:05:36] is stressful enough and then that little like week once a week uh a month once a weekend you put that money aside and then you're ready for next year and if there are scholarships and things like that

[01:05:48] you apply for it boom you're ready to go i'm just saying i mean as somebody who has told people that they should drive for uber on sunday so they can afford a marketing budget for their

[01:05:59] podcast i'm in complete agreement with you there like if you want to do it make it happen for yourself uh totally uh am i the only person up here who has been to podcast movement other than jared of

[01:06:12] course i've been to all of them yeah okay how chill i know matt's been uh there's there's a few people i recognize we of course you got tom and graham fuzz jeff he's actually got on the stage once or

[01:06:23] twice tom i have no you know that you know the answer to that tanner okay well i thought it would be nice because there are probably people in the audience who might be on the fence about whether

[01:06:34] or not they want to make this investment they want to make the trip they think it's worth it if we could take a minute to say something that was valuable in our first experience at podcast

[01:06:41] movement i don't want to lead that off there are other people who've been to more of them than i have uh maybe matt could be a good starter there matt are you willing matt gibson yeah yeah yeah i mean

[01:06:54] like i said before earlier in the in the podcast um it's it's the networking is off the hook i mean you are going to make friends for life i've got people like emailing me hey are you coming you

[01:07:10] know like it's really um as far as like a support network like hey you're gonna make it that type of thing you're really i cannot use words to describe the value of that you know um as far as the

[01:07:26] seminars it really depends on why you're doing a podcast you know a lot of the seminars are are towards you know different segments in the podcast industry different stages of the

[01:07:37] podcast and you know like are you a new podcaster are you trying to make money you know you need to get better guests things like that there's lots of value there like if you don't know how to do

[01:07:48] something and i would encourage you if you go to the seminars go talk to the speakers afterwards and introduce yourself and you may find a friend for life there you know like there's there's a lot

[01:08:00] of great mentorship um networking and and and value there so um and the parties are awesome last year it was Paris Hilton DJing and well at evolutions and uh will ferrell was uh the keynote that was

[01:08:18] that was a lot of uh i actually had him walk right by me but but jared had to stop and take a picture so i didn't get to so i'm just jared i'm just kidding jared but uh yeah it was uh it was a

[01:08:32] great great experience i've been to about four of them and i have tons of friends from it how about you miss jel what would you say i love both events um i think if you're looking for

[01:08:52] someone and someone's to really geek out about your creative work to talk about podcasting where they actually understand what your questions are um to create community to find folks who who may potentially be in a mastermind group with you i i strongly strongly encourage you to go

[01:09:15] i absolutely loved podcast movement evolutions by the way i i spoke at the one in la um i really loved that event if you're looking if you're a little further into your journey in my

[01:09:29] opinion i think the evolutions is a really good fit there were a lot of industry professionals there so but i'll never forget coming out of uh covid coming out quote unquote like because it's still

[01:09:44] here with us it's like never going away anyway and going to nashville and being a little like like freaked out slightly and having an amazing time um just with that experience i attended before

[01:10:00] but it was a little scary to go and it was just a wonderful experience so what i would say is um i think you can get a lot out of it but it also depends on what you put into it so if you if you go

[01:10:12] and you're skittish and you don't talk to anyone and you're nervous about everything it's just not going to work if you go and you have a plan and you have a goal for your your experience

[01:10:23] i think you will more than exceed your expectations in terms of getting returned um but don't just kind of go like have a plan so that you can actually get the results and and and have have the um

[01:10:39] experience that you're hoping for thanks michelle i i know we're going over here jeff so i'll be quick if that's even possible i've only been to one i've only been to the one in uh in tenancy

[01:10:50] which i loved and there were two things about it that i loved in particular the first was that podcast movement in general and i don't just mean jaren and his team i mean everybody attending

[01:11:03] puts a lot of effort into create meetups and some of those are these big meetups that are organized in part by the organizers of the event in part by speakers but really just me somebody who just

[01:11:13] went there for the first time ever going to one i started a i created a meetup and had like 12 people come you can just create meetups with people that you know are going to be there and

[01:11:22] you can invite them off site or if the site's big enough you can keep it there on site in the hotel for example i thought that was really cool i made a lot of friends at the first and only podcast

[01:11:31] movement i've been at so it was valuable to me in that regard and the second i can get kind of you know i can get kind of uppity about things i think people have most of people never

[01:11:39] ever experienced that one of the things i can get the most uppity about is audio engineering in regards to podcasting is the thing i feel i am most more than anything else more than a talent

[01:11:49] of a podcast to host a marketer i think i'm an audio engineer the most and i was very surprised and only because i'd never been to one before that when i went to the podcast movement in

[01:12:02] tennessee that that the dolby atmost people were there and that they had a lot of really talented audio engineers who were mixing in atmos there to teach some of the basic concepts of atmos

[01:12:15] which was really an unexpected surprise for me because i had just started to build my studio out to being at most compatible i was just researching on how to do that and i was blown away

[01:12:26] to find something that was so high level at podcast movement because podcast moving going into it i thought okay this is networking and there's a benefit there but you know most of

[01:12:35] the talks are going to be like basic talks for beginners and i was wrong about that and i was pleasantly surprised to be wrong about that so those are the things that i got out of it

[01:12:47] tanner are you aware that your ticket has been revoked for this year you are not allowed to attend he's gonna have to revoke about eight tickets because i think it's been four thousand on tickets for other people he didn't offer to buy me a ticket either faster you

[01:13:04] as michelle said jeff you can you can uber and we'd love to see you but if you ever have a speaker spot open to talk about how to make tanner camble mad i'm your guy

[01:13:18] i'd be curious to see the turnout for that he really is we could put a ring in the middle of the event sure it's anner i did have one quick quick pro tip that i was thinking of when michelle

[01:13:30] was speaking if you see somebody with the podcast movement badge on that's open game to walk up to them and ask them anything nosy about their podcast that you want to so don't be afraid to do that

[01:13:43] just be bold about it that's a that's a pro tip for podcast movement jeff is there a way you can allow tom to be a speaker i'd love to hear tom's quick you know minute and a half opinion

[01:13:57] if oh yeah for sure i just sent him an invite tom is always welcome to speak in this space because tom might have an insight that hasn't been shared tom might have an insight that we shared privately via dm earlier i'm not sure if he does though

[01:14:12] but we'll invite him i send him the invite we'll give it a second here he's pointing to put a pretty critical part in in the movement though right i mean we all wait to see the data yeah he's given some outstanding presentations on podcast data that's been really

[01:14:35] helpful okay it's i don't want to give me a fell asleep no problem we can uh we can move on this one hennery have anything else to ask or anybody else have one more question

[01:14:52] not i man i'm good this has been great we'll do a quick closing thoughts i'm gonna go ahead and let you jared tell people where to go to get these tickets find information i'm gonna go

[01:15:09] ahead and guess the url but i'll let you pitch it because you're gonna be much better than i am at well you can go to um 2022.podcastmovement.com that's the event that we've been referring to

[01:15:23] and podcastmovement.com if you can't remember that that will have a link to it and uh yeah if you can come we'd love to see there it's definitely going to be a great experience so we're gonna do

[01:15:33] our best to make it a great experience and um i think the overall community is just amazing and i'm so grateful for opportunities like this jf you didn't have to invite me on here but you were

[01:15:43] kind enough to do that and this is my first experience with twitter spaces believe it or not and i've had a just an exciting time and i'm honored to be surrounded by so many of you and

[01:15:52] um yeah this is a very good group and i think if nothing else you keep attending sessions like this this podcasting power are you gonna learn you're gonna get some ideas and yeah there's just some good people that are knowledgeable in this group that you can

[01:16:06] ask questions to and uh so if you do nothing else just keep coming back here and that's my final thought beautiful mayor mcfuzz what you got i just want to say yeah thanks jared for coming on and

[01:16:20] speaking today and thanks to everybody who shared their thoughts here on the podcasting power hour i did want to give one uh parting thought from a couple weeks ago i'm taking greg's advice and i

[01:16:33] am going to be putting my show on a one month break and uh told my listeners today so we'll report back on how that bounces back uh in about four weeks but uh but anyway jeff again thanks for

[01:16:46] hosting this as usual and proud to be a part of it i'm proud to have you as a friend fuzz i really am jim mallard do you want to go ahead and plug your show because i'm going to be on there tomorrow

[01:16:57] night it's going to be crazy it's going to be out of control it's going to be insane yeah it'll just be like this but with less people talking uh mallard.com

[01:17:05] slash live 9 p.m eastern tomorrow night or just follow me on twitter and you'll see all the promotion so there you go and and thanks jared for talking about podcast movie i i've kind of seen it going

[01:17:16] around but i mean i kind of had a clue but i did learn a few things tonight so pretty cool he saw the twitter account i see every twitter account that's why elon must didn't buy twitter

[01:17:27] but that's one of the canal worms all right influencer tanner what you got for your clothing scots i know you're not typically allowed at these conferences and if you are it's you're probably in

[01:17:42] handcuffed at least yeah i should under a nom to plume or something right uh i've got nothing i mean i did a i did a little tweet thread today about some places where if you're interested in paying

[01:17:53] to advertise for your podcast inside some podcast player apps there's a thread it's not pinned to my profile but it should be pretty easy to find a lot of people seem to enjoy some of the information

[01:18:02] there uh there's also an article on my sub stack which kind of outlines a way for you to create a daily show a conversation that i had very recently on my podcast with gary who's in the audience

[01:18:13] talking about creating daily shows and um creating essentially more surface area for paid advertisements and how you can make for some pretty decent money doing that and you control the production on a cost in time so i would encourage you to read that article check

[01:18:28] out that tweet thread and if you want to hear the interview with gary you can check out um gosh i want to say it was maybe monday or friday's episode of good morning podcasters it was

[01:18:39] oh fridays because today's monday oh yeah well i don't i all i do is podcast i live in a booth i don't know what the day it is fair enough fair enough yeah no jared thanks for coming by

[01:18:51] i think the great thing about podcasting and i always say this and meet the dead horse here i'll say it again this industry is truly unique where you can just talk to most people in it

[01:19:01] in all different positions or different skill levels or different roles that they play in the industry so i think that's just uh this is another example of that and not only podcast

[01:19:09] movement with this twitter space so thank you for taking the time to spend this hour with us oh my pleasure thank you jeff no problem at all and like if anybody wants to catch up on some of

[01:19:21] these past ones there's actually a website up now in podcast form podcasting power hour dot com and until next week keep being you keep being great and don't litter thank you for listening to the podcasting power hour everyone is free to participate on twitter spaces every monday at

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[01:19:57] podcasters will see it and know this show is worth listening to also i'll put a few links in the show notes for ways you can support the show i think by now you know we love our coffee have a great week tanner sucks

[01:20:16] oh my god i love you jeff it's fun time tanner doesn't suck tanner blows man do both for enough money i guess i don't know hey nice to meet you guys yeah nice to meet you

[01:20:31] matt and thanks for coming michelle and everybody else listening so you're ready for tanner you're gonna have to shoot me some message to put jeff on the hot seat tomorrow i've got a few questions but

[01:20:43] there's anything in particular you want on the record let me know no yeah let's buy him a taco let's yeah yeah you gotta buy me a taco i think that i think my audience maybe doesn't believe that

[01:20:52] that's what i use that money for but it is 100 what i use that money for i just love when your audience thinks uh me too for introducing them to you then they buy you a coffee yeah

[01:21:06] it's because i'm an asshole people buy assholes coffee so you're a nice guy nice guys finish left yeah uh yeah hey guys i actually sorry i'm gonna i'm gonna dip i gotta make dinner for the wifey bye oh go for it have a good night now

[01:21:19] oh that's great speaking of when are we gonna get the special hosted episode of uh indy podcaster so this is my plan right now along with fuzz i'm going to start doing seasons right because

[01:21:33] i want to work on another project i've got going on no god it yep yep it's gonna be awesome and uh so i'm gonna start with seasons but i'm gonna release six more episodes and that'll put me like

[01:21:45] 70 and then take months off and start i don't know how many episodes i'm gonna do maybe 15 a season or something and try to have it more of a topic related maybe i guess but to answer your question

[01:21:57] ed i think it will probably be maybe the last one of those six okay so what november december 23 no no august 2024 august 2024 it is an olympic sized podcast i can tell you that much

[01:22:22] well see that i mean 70 episodes almost in a year is pretty good my bad i think i have 82 and three years so most of it we're done is 52 of course i do a weekly show so you figure out that

[01:22:38] yeah yeah i can do the math that'll do so jim well how early do i need to jump in there and we're gonna send me something or we can figure that out i can i can send you a google link

[01:22:50] mate or uh i can call you on the phone or however you want to do that it doesn't matter with me i can do google that's fine i'll even get the mic out for that whatever you want to do i don't

[01:23:00] care whatever however you're more comfortable that's how i'll tell my guess man do i have to wear clothes no because it's audio only so you're good good i will wear socks only then well that's that's

[01:23:16] it's audio only so we're not you're not costing me any listeners so that's all good all right well i'm gonna close this baby out and fold some laundry wish me luck good luck making those socks hopefully they're all still there

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