What you're gonna do, brother, when Jeff Townsend Media runs wild on you. Have you been searching for a podcast? Do you want to learn from some great content creators? Well you've come to the right place Indy Podcaster with your host Jeff Townsend, the Indie podcast Father. All right, all right, all right, this is Jeff Townsend. Thank you for checking out another episode of Indie Podcaster. This podcast is made for podcasters and other content creators. Certainly don't consider myself a guru, or either do any of my friends that will be featured in these episodes. But what we do like to do is talk content creation, pick each other's brains, and have a good time. I'm proud to mention that this podcast is sponsored by Indie drop In. Now, let me tell you something about Indie Dropping. This is an awesome network that my friend Greg has created. What he does is drop episodes from independent content creator into his established podcast audience on his feed, and he shares your episodes to an audience that already exists. Yes, it's like free advertisement promotion for your podcast. He spent a lot of time, money, and effort building it, and he already has an audience interested in the content, and he can certainly help you by sharing your content is great promotion. Go to indie drop in dot com slash creators and check it out. If you're a comedy, true crime, paranormal, for various other different kinds of podcasts, you can benefit from this. So I really encourage you once again go to indie drop in dot com slash creators and see if you can get your stuff featured on indie drop in. We'll go back to the podcast here Indie Podcasters. So what we've currently been doing is sharing content from three different projects that I'm involved in. The first is Good Morning Podcasters with my good friend Fuzz Martin. We also do some content on podcasting Sucks, and then in these episodes you will also hear some content from podcasting Power Hour. Podcasting Power Hour is a live thing we do on Twitter spaces. We get a whole bunch of great podcast minds together we talk podcasting. So if you're a content creator a podcaster, I think you'll take something away from every episode of the content I'm going to share with you. With that being said, make sure you check out Eddie drop in and make sure you enjoy this episode. I think it's important that we all continue to learn and grow every day, and that will help us become even better content creators. That's certainly what I try to do, learn something new every day. I'm excited to share this content with you. I think it'll be a learning experience for you. Let's get to this episode, and I hope you have a great time listening to it. Welcome to Podcasting Power Hour with your host Jeff Townsend aka the Indie podcast Father. I'm your co host, Greg from Indie drop in Network. Podcasting Power Hour is recorded live every Monday at nine am Eastern Time on Twitter Spaces. Every week, an experienced panel of podcasters and other experts over tackle your podcast and questions. We will of course put links to all of our guests and anyrrelevant information in the show notes. All right, let's get this party started. Greg, For all of the individuals who missed you last week, can you give us without being too personal, can you tell us how you're doing? Have you made it? Are you through the other side? Yeah? Sure, sure, yeah, yeah sure. So I was in the hospital for seven days and I got some sort of injury in my leg that I did not know about, and it got very very infected, and I learned about it first by thinking I had like a very bad case of the flu or ate something bad. And then my leg literally turned bright red and started creeping up up my body. So that was off to the er and he lived at tell the tale. Yeah he can't kill No, No, they can't. It's it's it's still trying though I'm home. I have I have to do ivy antibiotics two times a day, and you know, see visiting nurses and all this other stuff. Like you know, so if you get a cut or whatever, like the moral of the story is, you know, you bang your leg against something in the garage or you know, an ottoman or something in your house, like, immediately disinfect it and clean it and put a band aid on it, or else you might get flesh eating bacteria that tries to murder you in your sleep. Like me on the topic of flesh eating bacteria. Before we move on, Jeff, I swear I'll give back to you. My father in law fell off of his sailboat. You were already not feeling sorry for him into brackish water and cut his leg on one of the mooring lines. And in brackish water, I guess there is a flesh eating bacteria that's pretty common in Florida. And he did. He didn't check in on it. He didn't clean it like he took a shower, but he didn't really pay attention to it, and he got I think the same thing, Greg, And he almost lost this leg because he didn't realize it as fast as you did. Yeah, serious business, mans, it's serious. So all right, let's go ahead and get this started. Let's do it. I can't do it. Spend any time with Tanner without drinking. I don't know why you you and my mother and my wife and all the people. I have a vitamin water. I don't know if that counts. Did you call it vitamin water? No vitamin water but you don't have your ears on or what I call it vitamins. Anyways, Welcome to Podcasting Power Hower. I'm Jeff Townsend. Man. I can't believe July is almost over with here. It's the last Monday of July. Wow. But I am happy to announce my bff, my bromance, a best friend for life. Oh. Greg is back. Hello, everybody. I'm Greg, creator of Indie Dropping Network. I'm sure I'll plug it at the end. I'm not going to waste time now, but I'm glad to be back, and I hope everybody's brought their questions because, as you can tell, I feel a little snarky today. O little feisty. Huh? Not aware off here when you fall asleep in your recliner in a few minutes, likely, Buzz Martin. Glad you're back this week. Last week I assumed you were up to your usual city council important duties. I was, I was. I was getting yelled at about whether or not we should allow you TVs on our Villitch streets. So here we are and I'm back. Yeah, I'm Buzz Martin. I'm a chief strategy officer and a partner at Epic Creative, a full service advertising agency. Also a former broadcaster and produce a few shows, and happy to be here. I am not drinking today because my wife and I made a packed to not drink during the week until summer's over, so I'm drinking a Blueberry Bubbly. I wish you were different, but I wish I was. I wish I was as strong as you to be able to be in a space without tanner and not have to drink. So I admire you for that. Thank you, Jim Mallard from the Jim I'm gonna be on your podcast tomorrow night. Right. The millions of quackers is what you call your fans. It's on the duck line. I don't know what I call it. I don't actually have a name for the listeners. But yeah, so, and by the way, I'm driving my Linemar down your street. I don't care what you say. Oh, okay, all right, wal wars are fine, just you TVs, both eds are fine, whatever. Just no u TV is apparently mm hm. I can see why that. That gets a little bit dangerous. That in golf carts here in Indiana, that seems to be the cool thing. Senior citizens and golf carts. I don't know anyways, the most controversial man in podcasting, to say the least. Today, he kind of returned to old forum. Podcasting sucks. It's the maddest lad Canny Campbell. Guess I'm tanner. Depending on who you ask, I know a lot about podcasting or I know absolutely nothing about it and should go hide under a rock. You'll get to decide for yourself by the end of this room. Probably I'm gonna go ahead and say the second one. So is it crazy that I hope there's some of both in the room. That's how It's how I survived, man, that's my brand. Are we turning this into Survivor and we get to be voted off the I on the we after the show? Sure? No, because I'm one of those people just quit this. All right, let's get to the main event. Our guest this evening is Jared Easily. He is the co founder of podcast Movement. Am I right there? Jared? I've been called a lot of names, and that's one of them. Well, appreciate you taking the time to chat with this to seve me. This is your first Twitter space? Correct? Yeah, shame on me. I've never done this, but now that I see how fun it is, I wanted to invite a group of you to come swim swim with me in Murky Water in Florida if anybody's up for it. Amen, that's my middle name, swim and Murky Water in Florida. There's a weird initiation where you have to cut your hand with a knife and then dive in. Yes, and uh, I'm just assuming everyone knew that. But if you don't, now you know see Ariel miss and Blade down there. I've tried to invite our speaker, but she's probably off in somewhere like Italy or something busy. So we'll go ahead and get going. Cool And I see a friend of mine that's a big at D. It's Dashawn from Saint Louis. He's with us tonight. So give a shout out to DeShawn. What's up man? Really Griggs for me St. Louis. Uh, yeah, the Shawn is a possible future US senator. He's running for senate, no joke. A fellow podcaster here that's going to run for senate in Missouri. So incredible. Yeah, congratulations, that's awesome. Yeah. So in the meantime, you can if you want to come up and speak, you have anything to ask, where you want to talk about podcasts, and go ahead and request the speaker. In the meantime, though, we'll get the conversation going. Jared, I'm curious how you created this, How did it all happen? When did this happen? Well, I'll start out by saying that this whole event and everything was really just an idea, probably not even a good idea at the time, but it was. It was an idea that stemmed from coming to another event that had a lot of blogging and social media and YouTube and various media type of new media as they dubbed it content for you know, creators and so podcasting. The event was called NEWBXPO, and it was a little red had podcasting was a little redheaded stepchild corner of the conference. But when I would attend this event, I would need a lot of people that were interested in podcasting or they were starting one. And Dan Franks, who's the president of podcast Movement and the guy that I do business with, we were friends and we had heard a number of people saying they were interested in podcasting, and we kind of thought, hey, why isn't there an event like this that's just for podcasting, because it seems like there's a lot of people here that are interested in podcasting. But it's just a very tiny segment of the overall event. And we had no right to be creating an event, Jeff. We had no clout so to speak. We were not influential by any means. We had no email this, we were just new podcasters ourselves. So the idea of us trying to start what's now become podcast it's really kind of laughable and ridiculous, but that's really it was just being naive and saying, hey, let's see if we can create something that podcasters want to would want to go to, because at the time we looked around, we didn't find anything that was like that. So that that's kind of the beginning. Now, there were some steps that we took after that, if I can get into if you want want to go there, but that's kind of where the idea stemmed from. So what about you and podcasting? Okay, good question. I never really got into blogging when that was a big deal several years back, and I just I don't know, I just tried it and it didn't resonate with me as much, and I didn't feel like I was very good at it, and it wasn't clear I wanted to want to say, but I liked the idea of talking and so podcasting appeal to me. But at the at the time, I thought it was too expensive and that I was going to have to buy hundreds of dollars worth of equipment and just expenses that I couldn't justify in the moment or I thought it, and so I really waited about a year. Jeff, I'm ashamed to say I waited about a year before I ever started a podcast. So I didn't start my podcast so twenty thirteen, but I wanted to do it a year before that. But I found out about the Audio Technica twenty one hundred. Now it's the twenty one hundred X. But that mic was a USB mic you just plug into your laptop and it was very affordable. I don't remember. It might have been like forty five bucks or something, and the quality was reasonable, and so I bought that mic and tried it out, and then I realized, Okay, there's no more excuses. It's time to start a podcast. So that's that's really what pushed me over the edge. I started the show in twenty thirteen. That was an interview based and I made a lot of good connections, made a lot of friends, and that's kind of what got all this craziness started for me. Jim, go ahead, your hands up, Jim, go ahead. This isn't school man. You don't have to raise your hand. Called Jim, you know, and yeah, no, no, no, I do have a question, but mute my microphone because I'm special like that. You kind of did answer this, but I was wondered what the timeframe for all this was because then you kind of didn't mention that, but I was just kind of trying to date backwards and when did you start your podcast? So the podcast launched in April twenty thirteen, and then it was later, so it was like January of twenty fourteen when Dan I attended nwbdxpo that was in Las Vegas, and that particular year, I want to say it was at the Rio, the Casino in Las Vegas. So we went to that event. That's where we heard people saying, Hey, you know, I'm interested in podcasting. Why isn't there a podcasting conference? And we agreed with that. And then it was Valentine's Day of twenty fourteen when we launched a crowdfunding campaign, a Kickstarter campaign. We had again we had no email list, no substantial influence at all. Is basically, let's just go contact a bunch of people who've been guests on our show or or who we know are podcasters. Let's see if they'll want to participate, want to support, And we raised the bare minimum amount of money to kind of put on a very small what we thought was still a reasonably sized event and then just kind of learned what we didn't know along the way. So he did that first event in August of twenty fourteen. Did that satisfy your satisfy you, Jim? Yeah, that's all I wanted to know. I was trying to count backwards on fingers and figure these things out. I'm figured it was easier just asked and try to through the map. Hey, DeShawn, goodhead. How are you doing? Hey? How you doing well? My friend? Remember that? All right, I gotta tell that story to Sean since you're gonna a lot of people are scratching their head like. So, DeShawn is a wrestling fan and as he should be. And so we had Eric Bischoff at Podcast Movement in Nashville. He was on a panel and Eric Bischoff used to run w CW, who used to have the Monday Night Wars with the w W for WWE. And so this McMahon in a segment a few years after all of that went down, fired Eric Bischoff, and and so Deshan had the opportunity to fire Eric Bischoff at Podcast Movement and he did that exact thing. He yelled out Eric Bischoff, You're fired, and I'll never forget. It was one of the funniest things that I've seen h at at any of our events. It made me laugh uncontrollably for several minutes, and everybody, everybody that heard it thought it was funny, even if they didn't understand it, they just thought it was so random and crazy. So Deshan, you will never live that down. Thank you, Thank you. That was something that I I there. I have a lot of great memories from a lot of podcast movements, but that was a moment that I'll never forget. It was. It was uncomfortable and hilarious and just all, yeah, it should have been video taste. Oh man, that would have been went viral. That would have went viral. Definitely unexpected. But Deshaun he sees the day he took the moment, and uh, you know, even Eric Bischoff laughed. And Eric Bischoff, I'm sure he gets and he meets a lot of unusual types of folks being from the wrestling world, and so for him to meet you and for you to fire him publicly in that podcast movement and he laughed at it, I thought that was pretty cool him and he was pretty great. I went to blast that blast. He handled it well. Thank you, thank you after thank Youshan. Tell people about your podcast. You have a college right. Yes, basically it is comedy generally, but it also it also variety because I not only do try to do comedy as much as I can, but I ran about different things. I just did a podcast earlier today, and also I do NFL predictions, but just for bragging rights. I also do traveling postcards like I would do. Both of the conventions that I love to go to, I'm addicted to them now. I am so addicted to podcasting conventions. Oh my god. I mean, it's just ridiculous. I just love I love having guests on my podcast. It is so it is so addicted to me. I love letting letting them speak, and I love having them have a platform on the show. So it's just the labor of law something that do. Even though you know, I may be depressed, I might if they think that you're supposed to lose different different things that you love, but podcasting, oh, I'll still continue to do that. Well, DeShawn, I know you're not gonna say this, but I'm gonna let people know because not everyone knows you. Deshaun battles of disability, but he has never let that stop him. He's he's always kept a good attitude. He's worked really hard with this podcast. And as I mentioned, he is running for Senate in the state of Missouri and lieutenant governor in twenty twenty four. Kate, that don't work out, so yeah, lieutenant governor is your back as your plan? B So I commend you to Shawn. I know there's probably some people being like, man, this guy, he's a little bit out there. But DeShawn, you're You're a source of inspiration. I really appreciate all that you you you bring to the podcast community, and you know, just thank you for not letting things that might limit some folks prevent you from putting yourself out there. So good job, thank you, Thank you for having me in. And guy, thank you for letting this great guest came out. He's the influence that y'all. He's a huge leader, y'all, So watch out for Jerry. He's a big leader, whether I deserve that or not. Thank you, welcome, nice meeting you Bank media. All right, Jeff, So let's continue. What's uh yeah, sure, yeah, sure, so go ahead. Yeah, So, Jared, I got a quick question. I've always wondered, like I came across podcast movement from the Facebook group, you know, because I'm ninety seven years old. So that's that's a lie. That's because just because Jeff makes fun of me. Okay, what kind of success do you think the Facebook group contributed to the overall podcast movement because that group's pretty active and pretty large. Yeah, I think I think the group has is really kind of taken on a life of its own, which is in some cases is awesome, and in some cases it's created a lot of I guess challenges from an admin standpoint. So you get some people that are are genuinely in there to just help and be gracious, and you have some people who are kind of leveraging it for selfish purposes and self promotion, and then you're having to determine which is which and kind of sounds like, well, yeah, I mean, we've dealt with a little bit of everything, and I would love to tell you that we've always handled it perfectly. We haven't, but we've We definitely have some things in place now, and Facebook's created some AI type of moderation that's made it, I would say a lot easier. It's not made it perfect, but it's certainly made it easier to catch certain things that we probably wouldn't allow you. But do you think but do you think it's contributed to the attendance in the show considerably? No, I don't know. You know, there's a lot of people. If you posted in the Facebook group and be like, hey, did you know there's an event in Dallas next month, you might get a lot of people will comment be like, huh, what are you talking about? Like there's a lot of people that join the group that really don't even know Podcast Movement has an event. So I think that's mixed. I do think that it's a great discovery place for people that are interested in learning more about podcasting, connecting with other podcasters, and they're going to potentially find out about the conference. But yeah, i'd say maybe a majority or you know, I would say a good number of people in that group but probably don't even know that we have an event, and we try to do everything we can to make that, you know, painfully obvious, but you know, sometimes that's not, Uh, it doesn't work that way. So I think the group is great for discovery, for people learning more about podcasting, for people connecting with other podcasters, and I would say a percentage of that group do become aware of podcast movement events and things like that, and they have supported that. But you know, it'd be wonderful if we had seventy five thousand, you know plus people attend our conference, but I'm sure we won't have that many people. How many, you know, I would I'd say, you're rightful. COVID. We did an event in Orlando, we had you know, three thousand plus, and then we did an event in Nashville last year and we had about I want to say a little over two thousand in person, and then we had maybe, you know, almost that online virtually. So you know, it's hard to say. I'd like to think maybe Dallas might pull in or I don't know, I don't I'm not sure what it's going to end up being, but it should be it should be a reasonable attendance, and you know, I don't know if it'll be pre covid as big as pre code. But then people who do events, they've seen this and they can testifut of this is Sometimes your biggest swell of registrations is literally like the week or two before the event. So while we have a decent number of attendees as of now, you know we're going to see a swell that's most likely going to pop up here in a little bit and you could end up with more than you expected or about right where you thought it would be. So it's hard to say, but if I had to guess, I'd say maybe twenty to twenty five hundred maybe in person. That's my guess. Fair Man, that's pretty good. Jim, go ahead, then we'll go to Gary. He's at his hand. I just want to know how we come to select these cities because I'm being up in the Northeast. I'm just kind of feeing a little left out. Well, we do love the Northeast. Let the record reflect that. So we have tried to have events in the Northeast. We've had some smaller stuff in Boston and a couple other places, but we haven't had a podcast movement up that way just yet. But we did Philly a few years back. But you know, right now, we've just been kind of making the rounds and being Dallas this summer, and then we have Evolutions event that's in March. That's going to be in Las Vegas. And then I don't think it's Denver, baby. Yeah, Denver is twenty twenty three, so that's that's in Colorado. We've not been to Denver yet. We're excited about that. And then in twenty twenty four will be in DC. So not not northeast completely, but closer. I'll show you. I'll show you around when you get here, Jared, I don't know if you want to be shown around, but but i'll show you. Don't even have a cart. Yeah, I'm not I'm not the I'm not the dispensary type, but I'll definitely. Uh, I definitely what kind of bigoted comment. I don't smoke weed just because I live in Colorado. I live I smoke weed because I like it. I'm not applying that. I was saying that just in case Matt Gibson, who has joined us, if he thought, you know that, I might be interested in that, but I'm not. So Hey, Jared's a straight edge, That's all I do. Got to give a shout out to Matt Gibson. Matt as a podcaster. He does the Kingdom of Rock. It started out he was just interviewed a lot of really amazing rock stars and learning how they make a living in this kind of new age of music. And now Matt is actually a tech entrepreneur. He's starting an app that's going to help people that have PTSD and have anxiety disorder listen to music. I might you may need to kick in here, Matt and correct me, but basically figure out what kind of music and what kind of playlists they listen to see that really can help them when they're when they're struggling with anxiety. So it's called neural neural Tunes, So stay tuned for that. So I'm excited for Matt and kind of the the cool things that he's doing and the leadership that he has in the podcast based and in the tech space. Matt, did you want to kind of share a little bit about neural tunes real quick? Well, the first thing I wanted to do is say, if you guys are on the fence about going to podcast Movement, it's a life changing experience, especially if you've never been there before, because to see that many independent broadcasters all in one place, you know, building their audiences. You're going to have these conversations at the bar and restaurants and events and stuff with all these people, and you're going to learn so much from the from just being around that many smart people trying to be independent broadcasters. So highly recommended. I'll be there too. So if you see the guy with the big hair walking around in a suit, maybe give me a wave and pull me aside and we'll have a chat. But yeah, I just we're building a tech startup. And it came out of my podcast because we had interviewed over one hundred rock stars during COVID and because we've got all these people on the show, we're like, well, why don't we open up a zoom and just let them network? And because all the musicians were out of work, so we through all of that networking. I mixed it up with some tech people and we just we started a tech startup called Neurons, where we listen to your biometrics while you're listening to music, and then we can determine how your music is making you feel. And it's your own music, and so then we can we know what music's best to help you feel better if you're anxious or depressed, or maybe you need to get a little extra push at the gym or whatever. It is or performance at work. So but that came from a podcast, So a podcast community, so you can and that's my that's the people that I interviewed that came out of So a podcast doesn't necessarily have to be about building an audience, although I highly recommend that. But at the same time, it can also be just about the people that you get to talk to and ask anything you want. That's that's why I started the podcast, because I wanted to learn how to make it in the music business. And so I've talked with tons of people in the industry and I'm working on my music career right now. I moved to Vegas, I'm here doing all kinds of stuff and h and Jared has been a great mentor to me and it inspired me to try a whole bunch of things that I wouldn't have tried. So props to you, and thanks for being a cool dude, Jared. But not the dispensary right, just in case Tanner is tempted. So now it's straight edge, fair enough, old straight edge Jared, that's what they call. Listen, I got, I got a question for Jared. Let's get back on track here, Yes, listen, here's my question for Jared. Jared, two things. Let's start with the easy one. When podcast movement first started, it was like it was baby diapers, dude. It was like, you guys must have been in so far over your head and now it's a fucking behemoth on the circuit. Right, you guys are the biggest podcast conference maybe globally. Is that true? I believe that's true. What are the heart give me one of or two of the hardest lessons you've learned over these I mean, it's ten years almost. Well, we made a lot of mistakes in the beginning, and we were too kind of new and naive to to really process that. Yes, I guess we were just so excited to be starting something that had potential that that we didn't mind it. But I look back now and think about those for a few years. It was four years before we ever made any money. We didn't get paid anything, so we had day jobs, and and then on top of our day jobs, we worked, you know, like another full time job planning and organizing these events. And I look back now and be like, man, how did we survive that? That was that was really tough. My wife thought I was crazy, and we had enough I'm sorry if it went out there. We had enough proof of concept at the time to to continue on. And uh so, so several lessons that I think we learned early on was the second year, I believe, was we had an event and for worth and we were all excited and just put countless hours into preparing for it and delivered what we thought was a really exciting and good event. That kind of helped us to start now working with other circles and other niches of podcasts other than just kind of the business niche, which was the first year primarily, and so we had a lot of nice wins there. But when we did the math and figured everything out and we ended up being forty thousand dollars in the hole. So we had worked, you know, tirelessly to try to put on this great event and then you know, to owed forty grand and I'll never forget that that was very deflating. We were hearing people that had attended Podcast Movement and said, oh, you know, because I attended Podcast Movement, I got all these clients and you know, I made six figures and we were owed forty grand. We were like, God, this is probably not worth it. Thankfully, what we did learn from that. To get back to your question, Tanner, was we we determined what we what mistakes we made, and what guardbrails we needed to put in place, and then just decided, okay, we're gonna you know, learn from this. We're not gonna just uh you know, take the beating and then just give up. So we we did insert some some guard rails. Some of these things were they were pretty obvious to us now, but they weren't then. So, you know, things like affiliate links we had we were paying out a little too much in affiliate links and people that would sell a ticket to somebody who might have purchased a registry for podcast movement anyway, So we're kind of cannibalizing ourselves, uh, with with some of the affiliate deals. We we had way too much money that was spent on trying to bring in certain marquee type of speakers, and we really didn't have the budget for that kind of stuff, and we we approved it because we thought we needed it, and we realized moving forward, okay, we got to be more a lot more. Uh you know, we just can't do that like we've done it before. So those are two prime examples there's a lot more, but just just uh, and then getting feedback from everybody, Okay, what you know, what needs to happen the next year. And every event that we do, we always try to get feedback at the end of the event. And there's so many great ideas that come up that we didn't think of that other people say hey, what if you did this, and you know, we try to implement those and I think the event continues to evolve and hopefully get better as it grows because of you know, listening to people and making that a priority. And and then I'm to say one last thing. And some people this might resonate with and some it might not, but it was an important student that we decided on and that was in the very beginning. We Dan I determined that we would not try to be the faces of podcast movement. We wouldn't put our face all over the banners, and we wouldn't put our face on social media, and like we wouldn't be the keynote speakers. And and we decided, hey, if we're going to really try to create a community, a podcast community, then we really can't try to be the spotlight. When you take that spotlight on the attendees and put it on the community and not put it on ourselves. And there's nothing wrong with personal branding. I think personal brand is very important. I think people that do that right and do that well. I think that's a skill and something that's that's got a lot of benefit to it. But we we kind of took that opposite approach with podcast Movement, and now I believe that that turned out to be a good move because we really didn't have, like I said, the influence to say, Okay, we have the authority to create this behemoth conference. As you said, Tanner, like, who are we to create this? Like, we're not really anybody special, We're not anybody that's that important. We just threw a party, so to speak, and invited a bunch of people and they were gracious enough to come, and then it just kind of picked up and the timing was right. Yeah, there was a lot of work that went into it, and we have a great team and we have a lot of really gracious people in the community that supported it. But that's the truth is is we're not any better than anybody else. And it was the right time, right place, and we just got kind of got lucky and we've really doubled down on quality and just being careful with you know, how we spent money and putting it back into the event. And so now I think that those decisions over the last several years have really put us in a position that we're now in. But we couldn't be in that position had we not made those sacrifices early on. So it's it's not been a just though overnight. You know, we just created this event and it was an instant when I mean, you know, there was some ones along the way, but it certainly didn't come easy. And now we're a place now where we're just growing and it has a good reputation. But I think that's because a lot of sacrifice that were made early on, which I look back now and realize, Okay, that was good, that was the right thing to do. So well, it's also a good move to not be the face of something because if you are, it mean when you guys decide, okay, you know it's time for us to maybe move on to the next project or retire, then it doesn't die. Somebody else can take it over. So one more question and I'll bounce it back to chaff and just a heads up, chair, This isn't meant to be a tough question. It's meant to be I think people want to know about this. I'm going to ask it might be tough not for that reason. You guys took an absolute drubbing, as most companies who did anything did in twenty twenty. How did you handle that? And what specifically have you changed about podcast movement to be more I mean, I don't know COVID proof or something. I don't mean like ways of I don't mean on site. I mean, how do you ensure in today's world with COVID that that we don't have another twenty twenty repeat, that it doesn't get canceled? What are you guys doing differently in that regard? Well, you know, I mean everybody that's in events struggled with that. That was hard. Handled it probably as good as anybody could. But that that's it. I think. You know, we have a number of we try to discern what the local safety protocols are where we're having the event, and then based on that we do our best to with assistants from the hotel and you know, with our our staff and our volunteers and everything, make sure you know those are implemented. I thought in Nashville we did a reasonable job where we had buttons that basically gave people an understanding of someone's comfort level. So as you know, like a green button would signify I'm okay with with you know, being in close proximity and talking to someone and I don't necessarily need a mask, and a yellow was someone that was being more cautious and maybe wanted some more personal space, and a red was, hey, if you know I've got a mask on, I'd like for you to have a mask on people. I think for the most part they were kind about that and consider it. And I don't know that necessary in Dallas this summer to quite have that extreme as we did last summer, but it might be so well, we'll just kind of pay attention to it and go with it and implement what we need to implement to try to keep us safe. And but yeah, that's that's difficult for anybody doing event. It's it's uh, and there is you know, let's just be honest. If you're going out, you're flying, you're traveling and stuff, you you are taking a little bit of risk. Uh, So you know, hopefully people are comfortable and they'll be uh at the event, they'll feel safe and they'll be able to go home and not get sick. And but yeah, yeah, that that's really some of that is in our hands and some of it isn't. So we do it. We do it we can so yeah and and and to be fair to Jared, for anybody who didn't attend Podcast Moving in Tennessee, they did a great job. Those buttons I thought were really cool. They provided a mass on site. The event didn't feel like there was ever too many people in one place, so it was really spread out because you guys had it at the ground of Opery, which is a huge venue. It was impressive that you could even feel it. HI mean, it was amazing. So you know, that's all I've got. How about you, Jeff, what are you got? I would like to say two things. First of all, I found that comment interesting Tanner about you're agreeing with him not to be the face of the event. That's a weird thing for somebody to say that literally has their face on their podcast cover. Well, my podcast would die if I died, it's not an event. I also thought of that. I wanted to ping you and tell you to put my cover art up in the nest. I don't think it's wrong to have your face on your cover. By the way, what that face? It is? My face on my T shirt that I'm wearing right now when I'm at home, might be wrong. I have seen Tanner's face, and I ye know, I think I think that's Tanner. Has a certain vibe, has a face Tanner. You got that vibe where that resonates with certain folks. And there's some people they may pass and shame on them. But you're telling me so your thing. He doesn't. He doesn't seem like the type of guy that would be good at social distancing. Anyways, we'll move on. Gary, You've had your hand up forever. Thank you for being patient. Hi Gary, thank you. You ever watch America's Guy Talent? Yeah, I'm going to be on it next season. Okay, what do you do? My My talent is Yokie Bear Boo, twenty bird and other voices as I do more? Okay, so you do like cartoon voices? Basically nothing very much? Do you have to get me in trouv yogy? That? Is that really you? Or is that you have to play on an app? There? Give us some more then we will go to the next speaker. We'll give you just another Maybe, Jeff, you should give him a sentence to read. Yeah, you think, but you you're gonna get me in trouvi yogi. What do you think about it? Gamber heard do yogi? He's pretty cool. That shows that I'm doing it. Mhmm. Gary, I hope, I hope you get that golden buzzer, man, I really do. I don't know that you will, but I hope you get it. Cool to eat, Betty. I can already picture it. Greenie, Greeneye, come guick and quick at the water show up pretty peet, Greenie. You'd see it, pretty peep Greenie. Well man, that's that's very amazing. Well done. Thank you Gary for stopping by. You're welcome. Don't forget to watch me on next season. I will. I'll be looking for it. They're they're going to put it on YouTube, and then after it's put on YouTube, then it'll be aired on TV on NBC. This is why Jeff didn't give me hosting ability. I think, uh, I think there's people who are listening to this that'd be like, hey, I'd like to have Gary Baby do a little promo for my podcast. So so maybe get Gary us some a some love from the group here from from those impressions. Oh magnificent. Yeah, that's that's a magnificent Jared. We should just I'm gonna do that right now. I need a voiceover for the podcasting Power Hour. Gary could hook you up exactly, amazing amazing plug. There there you go. Podcasting Power Hour is part of indie drop in network. If you are a podcaster looking to grow your listeners, check out indie drop in dot com. Indie drop in is always free and we have opportunities right now for comedy, true crime, scary and paranormal podcasts. Just go to indie drop in dot com to learn more. All right, Greg, do you have any questions? Man, I know you're recovering. I'm not opening the wallet for that, sorry, Jeff, Yeah, I'm not even sure what that means. Je Greg's my money guy. He's talking about his prison wallet. We probably don't want to know anymore. I'm not unvelk throwing my wallet to give you money for a tweety bird Power Hour voiceover. I'm sorry, Well, it's over the edge. How do we know that Gary's not a very generous person? And maybe he wants to you know, you know, just put it out there to promote himself. Oh yeah, so then we see him a podcast. Am I about to be reason? Is that gonna happen? He reminds me that I owe him a favor and we'll see how that goes. Okay, well, yeah, you're right. Do any of my bell any my bell? Guys? Can we get on with this? Pur sed? Yeah, let's greg, I challenge you to ask a question. I guess we'll go to fuzz. Yeah, I just uh So, we run a lot of trade shows and such for clients, and when March twenty twenty hit, we really had to adjust our business model as an agency because we obviously everything changed, so thankfully were we also have a full video team in house, so we were able to adjust and help people virtually. But I just wanted to say goods, tea free be able to keep things rolling through all of that, because it was difficult all around, and I don't really have a question, but just wanted to say great work. You know. Another thing that popped up FUZZ from the COVID experience on our side was a realization that hey, we should have all the eggs and just the event basket. We should have other streams of revenue, and that was a good thing because we put some more focus into things like podcast, newsletters and professional services, some other ways to create revenue streams that we didn't have prior. And so I think even though COVID was very difficult, it was an eye opener. I'm really thankful to say it helped us kind of come up with some new thing for the company overaw And then I'm proud also that we never had to play anyone off. We were able to keep our team and pay them and yeah, that wasn't fun some months, but we did that. And you know, now everybody's been able to stick with us, so we never we didn't lose anybody, So I'm thankful for that. How big is the team. We have about seven full time employees, and then we got you know, multiple contractors, so all our full time employees stayed on and then you know, our contractors, they were still able to work with us in the various capacities you know that you know, depend on what they do. But yeah, we were still able to keep people around and not have to lay anyone off and or or you know, take a pause or anything like that, and that was you know, a little bit tight there at times. And that required some sacrifice too. Yeah, I took a pick cut and some of that hasn't come back to me yet, and maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. But you know, it's just a way to keep the team, you know, together, And I don't have any regrets. It was a good thing. So definitely don't start a business with Tanner. Then if you're looking to get that money back Edward, you have a question ed Yeah. Sorry, I'm lucky with my dogs as we're doing this. Yeah, we were supposed to hear a pitch from a guy about four weeks ago. Did we ever get it? Because I've been in the room every week, never heard this guy's pitch. He wanted us to help them, and then he never shows up and does it. Did I miss it? No? No, No, you're talking about Dave and his new business podcast. No, he's not even in here. We'll stay him on him. I look for him next time. We'll hut him down for next weekend. I worked with him on getting that pitch like tight as well. He did a pretty good job and he was dming me and we got some stuff figured out for him, and I was hoping he'd come here and show and tell him. Thought maybe he did it while I was at a board meeting. But yeah, he's ghosted us. Got all the work for free, all that jelly and no toes. Well, I'm not gonna comment on that, but I do want to give a quick shout out to someone who's in the audience. My second favorite Denver resident, which of course Tanner has to be number one, right, So Michelle Jackson who's here. And Michelle is just somebody that I really appreciate, and she's actually put together some really cool stuff for podcasters, helping them figure out unique ways to monetize, and she's kind of reaching out toward the person that's not getting all the downloads and not crushing it as they say, they're still trying to work through it. And so I don't know if we can put Michelle on the speaker list here, but i'd love to hear from Michelle. Michelle, give give us a little bit of an update on what you're working on, and for anyone who's not familiar with you, i'd love for you to be able to do a quick intro. Yeah, we met Michelle last week actually, and she's already my favorite person from DNN. How do we make her a speaker? I'm not sure I said her request. He's being humble, she is, okay, I'm just slow to do that. Thank you, Jared. I was so excited to see you in the room. I just got off my own space. So my name is Michelle Jackson. I run a couple different podcasts, but my main one is called Michelle's Money Hungery. I talked about personal finance, but the project that Jared is talking about is called Podcasters Getting Paid, and the project is specifically geared towards podcasts with ten thousand or fewer downloads per month, and and just the ways you can monetize those projects. It is not trying to get people to monetize who don't want to audetized. It's for people who have identified that they want to monetize their projects, but they're really not sure what that looks like for either their fiction or nonfiction pursuits. Podcast podcasts, I have a fewer than ten thousand listeners a month, so that's all of them, one or two. The thing is like, when you go to a lot of sessions at conferences, typically industry professionals will always be like, well, we won't work with you until you get ten thousand downloads. They will, And for me, I got frustrated because I'm like, well, I'm getting paid and it doesn't make sense that people keep hearing this messaging when I knew that there were other ways you could do a thing, You could get paid more than one way, right, And so that's why I launched this very accessible product and project. And it's something I've been talking about for like I want to say four years, have been talking about this, and finally I just decided to create a tool around it. Well, I'm so glad that you did. And yeah, Michelle is an author. She does she does a lot of really cool stuff. So definitely somebody to keep on the radar. I'm a big fan, so yep, me too. You're also my favorite Jackson now for her day graduates. Wow, seriously, that sounds awesome what you're doing. And it was good to see you again, hear you again, you know what I mean? All Right, I'm gonna ask a question, but I'm gonna let the greatest song, the greatest song, Noah, you know, come on a week. I can't ever say that I don't know why the should I start? Should I start logging in under my person account because it's so much easier to say yes, takes it. He shows up here every week for you, and you can't get his show name right once. He's a super follower too. That's shout you how bad I am unsuper followed. I'm super followed. What's up, Jeff? What's up everybody? I just came in to say thank you to Tanner, who you know, some people say is not helpful because I'm going to launch my first billboard in a karaoke city and uh, I wouldn't have thought of that if it hadn't been for mister Tanner Campbell. Yeah, you need to think Jim Mallard. Yeah, yeah, Jim inspired. Jim inspired me. I wouldn't have been able to give you that advice if I didn't get the advice from Jim. Well thanks Jim, Thanks thanks. Uh, I guess you're my grandpa in this advice. You're you're the grandpa advice and and uh the father of the advice and Jeff Jeff was the podcast father, but now he's just the guy who always messes up my name. So yeah, I was gonna say you're welcome for the advice and the Jeff, well, maybe he'll get this greatest song ever sung poorly correct sometime. I mean it's not that hard. I mean when Jim got on the first tribe, Yeah, first tried, Yeah, Jim gott it the greatest guest ever introed poorly. There you go. I like that. It wouldn't be a Power Hour if I could say it right though, you know what I mean. So, Jared, I have a question for you. There's a lot of people. I've had a lot of my followers DM me or talk to me and ask about what podcast movement is. Obviously we've kind of touched up on that. But to you, why is it beneficial to attend to Let's say, if you're somebody just getting into podcasting and I guess the term I drive to the moon indie podcaster, like a new indie podcaster, what's your selling point and what are the benefits of attending well, whether it's podcast movement or it's you know, things like podcasting Power Hour, or it's things like Michelle's course, you know, hoping you to monetize I think, you know, immerse yourself where you can when you can into the podcast movement or into the podcast community as a whole, because they're I think it's fair to say, not just in podcast movement, but just in podcasting in general, that most people are very generous, Most people are collaborative, Most people are synergistic in their mindset, and you don't always see that and other niches and other places. So so you know, people that you might not have anything in common with outside of you know, podcasting, you know, to start talking about podcasts and then you know, you can create a friendship from that and of you know, a bond and connection, maybe even a business partnership or some kind of collaborative idea. But we've seen that time and time again. So podcast movement, I think, is it's just a party. It's it's just a place for podcasters that want to come together. And I think podcast movements unique. And this is kind of a tooting our horn, I guess, but it's not intended to be in vanity driven or anything like that. But there's people that are at podcast movement that you might not get access to just just any other way. So a lot of the big podcast industry folks are in the room and in the hallways, and those are the people that are you know, involved in I Heart or Apple or Spotify or some of these others Pandora, I can name, you know, Serious XM, all these different you know, entities that are out there, and there's a number of these groups that are actually willing to talk to you and willing to get to know you. And if they get to know you and they like what you're doing, they might promote you. And so there's opportunities where there's spotlights and different things where you can potentially get your podcasts exposed. And if they know who you are and they like you and you've created a rapport with these folks, you could be one of those folks that gets mentioned in this blast that they put out time to time. So it's pretty awesome to have those opportunities. We've seen that happen time and time again where somebody came to the event, they got to know someone from Apple or from Spotify or something, and the next thing, I know, they were featured in this thing. And it was really just because they got on the radar and they were you know, not annoying or me, me me, but just trying to you know, get to know people and network and do it. The right way. And so that's one of the reasons podcast Movement I think is really great is several years back, there was less synergy, there was less learning across the various niches of podcasting, and we started to see that a lot more. You'll see the various categories of podcasts learn from each other, and that wasn't the case, you know, back in twenty thirteen. And so I don't want to say podcast movement is the only reason for that, but I definitely think we've played a part in that. And now you see more people who are learning and saying, Okay, I see what these folks are doing over here, and it's working for them, let me try that in the niche that I'm in. Funny example I've heard before, but I love this story is a woman who's into bird watching and she has a popular podcast in that niche. She came to Podcast Movement. Her name is Marty, and she speaks at universities about birds and she's pretty well respected in that field. She asked her, I was like, what a session did you go to that you thought was helpful? And the answer made me laugh because it was a you know, not what I expected. She said, Oh, I went to the you know, the wrestlers. The guys were talking about how they engage with their audience and how they do their Patreon and how they do live podcasting events and you know, all these different things that I can go back and I can apply to the bird Watching podcast. And it made me laugh because I thought, well, where's what other places there where the bird watchers learning from the wrestling fan or whatever. So it's a random but I love that example of that. But I think that's a pretty good example of you know, the people that you might not think you could learn from, you can actually learn a lot from. There's a lot of really smart people a podcast movement. Most of them are pretty gracious. So if nothing else, you'll you'll network and you will likely come away very encouraged, very excited about what you're doing, what your idea is, and probably you've had several conversations with people that give you suggestions on how you could maybe make that idea better. Sounds like a lot of that happens here in the podcast in Power Hour, where people all of a sudden put up billboards and you know, see when, So that's kind of conversations that happened in podcast movement too, just people are trying to help one another, and and then you hear stories, you know, the following year or the year after that, where you know somebody tried something that they heard and got an idea from and then you know they've seen some progress and you know they're continuing to grow and continue to learn. So I think those are those are good reasons to consider being a part of podcast Movement. Coming to the event, Jared, what is the difference between Podcast Movement the main event and Podcast Movement Evolutions. This is somewhat of a new thing, right this will be your third one coming up Evolutions. Yeah, that's a good question. So the second event is primarily focused on the West Coast. We were doing a lot of kind of Central and East Coast stuff, but not as much West Coast. We've done one Podcast Movement Nana I'm a few years back, and so we wanted something that was more on the West Coast, and then we found that we had more people that were industry focused that were coming to Evolutions, so that a piece of that event is really focused for folks in the industry specifically, but there's a lot of people that are regular podcasters that would come podcast movie that wo'd also want to come to Evolutions. So that's how we determined, okay, we have the tracks are completely different from podcast movements. At Evolutions, you have a beginner podcaster track where all of the sessions would be appropriate for someone who's at a beginning level, a pro podcaster track that all those sessions are irrelevant to the person that's been doing it as a professional. And then you have an industry track that all of those sessions are going to be industry specific. So that's really what Evolutions is where podcast Movement in Dallas is going to be kind of a chooser on adventure. You've got a marketing track, you've got a monetization track, you've got a creation track, You've got you know, all these different tracks that are on these different topics and pain points that podcasters deal with. And so you can say, well, I want to go to this particular session, but I don't want to be married to just the marketing track. I want to go over here to the creation track, or I want to go, you know, learn about this other thing. So there's a number of different sessions and different topics that you can go to at podcast Movement, where evolutions. You just kind of say, Okay, I'm this is kind of where I'm at in the podcast space, and so I want to buy a ticket based on kind of where I'm at and learn from the sessions that are kind of focused on, you know, that particular role. If that makes sense. So, terr, are you silent for the first time ever? No, I figured you were going to take it. After that, I've got more questions. If you want to slack off, he's taking a suit exactly. You can go ahead and ask another one here. I think we have just a few more minutes, but we'll go over a little bit if that's okay with Jared. Yeah. Fortunately, So podcast movement is I mean, I think the first thing everybody sees when they go to get a ticket, especially if they've waited to the last minute, as you say many people do, is they think, oh, man, okay, this's gonna be few hundred bucks. Like I paid five hundred dollars in might take a five hundred something for some others that I that I bought for people who couldn't afford to go, And some of those people that are about tickets for said, you know what, thanks to the ticket, But it's not just that, it's also the hotel, accommodations in the airfare. So we're talking about what are the benefits of going to this at what stage you know, podcasters, podcasting age, podcasting maturity. Do you think is like the perfect time for a podcast or to attend or do you think there is one? Do you think it doesn't matter? Because because I feel like somebody's branding out of the gate, it's a big investment for somebody's branding out of the gate. So are we looking for somebody who's in like year two, year one? I don't think so, Tanner. I think that's a completely fair question. And I I personally don't think that it should it should matter. If times are hard and you know you're you're kind of need to focus your your finances on other things, then you should absolutely be doing that. You shouldn't be taking a trip to Dallas to come to a conference, and that's okay, but there are virtual tickets if if somebody says, you know, I really do want to learn this, and and the travels just too much. We we we do our best to create options, and there's some people that are overseas and things. It's just too expensive to fly to Texas, and so we have the virtual ticket and so we we we try to create win wins, but we realize, you know, at the end of the day, we're a business. We have to keep the lights on, we have to pair staff, we have to do certain things, so we have to charge money, and that's okay. But there are some people that you know, they're not in a position to commit to this right now, and that's okay too. But for those that are, I would say, even if if you're not a podcaster yet, you'll come and you'll get really good ideas on what you think you want to pursue, and maybe you know some smarter ways to pursue that, whether it's you know what kind of mics you you should be using, or you know what kind of marketing you should consider for your show, or uh, what kind of framework things like that. So I I I definitely agree with you Tanners. It's it's a commitment and and if you can make the commitment, I think it's it's it's worth it's it's a worthy commitment. But if it's not something you can swing right now, you shouldn't beat yourself up. You should you should definitely take your time and if you can come, come and if you can't, uh, you know, we try to We try to make win wins. We give out scholarships. There's some people that hit us up and said, hey, I can afford this for a ticket, and is it is it an option for me to be able to make it? And we talked to the team and see, okay, is there a way to figure out a discount or something. So we we try to come up with with, you know, ways to help people. We really don't want the money to be the ultimate end all, be all, but we realize, you know, that's you can't you know, always win on that side. So you just do the best you can. But we try and and yeah, for people that aren't able to commit and go to an event right now, that's okay. That's why you have a lot of free, wonderful free options like the Facebook group which you know, there's no charge there. You can go in the group, you can ask questions all day, you can network, you can learn a lot just from doing that. So there's there's tons of wonderful content like like Tanner puts out and things like this this podcasting Power Hour where uh even if you never attended event, you can still network, you can still get good ideas, and and you should you should do those things. So I think podcast move is great obviously because you know, it's a business and it's something that I'm a part of. But uh, for the podcaster in general, I say, depending on your situation financially, if you can go to events, do it. And if you can't, you know, don't feel bad. There's lots of really great resources out there and just tap into those and keep pursuing what you feel compelled to pursue. Well, uh, well with that, let's do kind of like a do we do a round robin Jeff because Michelle, Oh shoot, I'm sorry, Michet, get the plugger or u r ling. That's what I want to talk about, the accessibility of podcast movement and cost. I think that there are a couple of things that people if they're they're really passionate about it and they want to go. The first run for tickets, most conferences have really affordable tickets, you know, that are sold typically and I'm not speaking for Jared, but this has been my experience. Right after the last conference ends. There are scholarships I have for other events I've receive scholarships to attend where maybe other attendees are providing them. There are oftentimes, and I don't know about podcast movement, this has happened occasionally, there might be opportunities to volunteers. I think that there's more than one way to do a thing, and that if someone's really excited to go, like it's twenty it's August, next week is August twenty twenty two. If you want to go next year, maybe you're like, Okay, I'm in a side hustle once a month, and that's the money I allocate towards that nothing too stressful, because life is stressful enough. And then that little like week once a week a month, once a weekend. You put that money aside, and then you're ready for next year. And if there are scholarships and things like that you apply for it, Boom, you're ready to go. I'm just saying. I mean, as somebody who has told people that they should drive for Uber on Sundays so they can afford a marketing budget for their podcast, in complete agreement with you there, like, if you want to do it, make it happen for yourself, totally, uh am. I the only person up here who has been to Podcast Movement other than Jerry of course. Okay, how well, I know Matt's been. There's there's a few people I recond as we of course you got Tom Jeff. He's actually got on the stage once or twice. Tom. You know that you know the answer to that, Tater. Okay, Well, well, I thought it would be nice because there are probably people in the audience who might be on the fence about whether or not they want to make this investment. They want to make the trip, they think it's worth it. If we could take a minute to say something that was valuable in our first experience at Podcast Movement. I don't want to leave that off. There are other people who've been to more of them than I have. Maybe Matt could be a good starter there, Matt, are you willing? Matt Gibson? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like I said before earlier in the in the podcast, it's it's the networking is off the hook. I mean, you are going to make friends for life. I've got people like emailing me, hey are you coming? You know, like it's really as far as like a support network, like hey, you're gonna make it. That type of thing you really I cannot use words to describe the value of that. You know, as far as the seminars, it really depends on why you're doing a podcast. You know, a lot of the seminars are are towards you know, different segments in the podcast industry, different stages of the podcaster. And you know, like are you a new podcaster, are you trying to make money? You know, you need to get better guests, things like that. There's lots of value there, Like if you don't know how to do something, and I would encourage you if you go to the seminars, go talk to the speakers afterwards and introduce yourself and you may find a friend for life there. You know, like there's there's a lot of great mentorship, networking and and and value there. So and the parties are awesome. Last year it was Paris Hilton, DJing and Well had Evolutions and Will Ferrell was the keynote. That was that was a lot of I actually had him walk right by me, but but Jared had to stop and take a picture, so I didn't get to so Jared, I'm just kidding Jared, But yeah, it was. It was a great, great experience I've been to about four of them, and I have tons of friends from it. How about you, Michelle, what would you say? I love both events. I think if you're looking for someone and someone's to really geek out about your creative work, to talk about podcast asking where they actually understand what your questions are, to create community, to find folks who may potentially be in a mastermind group with you, I strongly, strongly encourage you to go. I absolutely loved Podcast Movement Evolutions. By the way, I spoke at the one in LA I really loved that event. If you're looking if you're a little further into your journey, in my opinion, I think the Evolutions is a really good fit. There were a lot of industry professionals there, so but I'll never forget coming out of COVID, coming out quote quote unquote like because it's still here with us. It's like never going away anyway and going to Nashville and being a little like like freaked out slightly and having an amazing time just with that experience I attended before, but it was a little scary to go and it was just a wonderful experience. So what I would say is, I think you can get a lot out of it, but it also depends on what you put into it. So if you go and you're skittish and you don't talk to anyone, and you're nervous about everything, it's just not going to work. If you go and you have a plan and you have a goal for your experience, I think you will more than exceed your expectations in terms of getting a returned But don't just kind of go, like, have a plan so that you can actually get the results and have the experience that you're hoping for. Thanks Michelle. I know we're going over here, Jeff, so I'll be quick if that's even possible. I've only been to one. I've only been to the one in Tennessee, which I loved, and there were two things about it that I loved in particular. The first was that podcast movement in general, and I don't just mean Jared and his team, I mean everybody attending puts a lot of effort into create meetups. And some of those are these big meetups that are organized in part by the organizers of the event, in part by speakers, but really just me somebody who just went there for the first time ever. Going to one, I created a meetup and had like twelve people come. You can just create meetups with people that you know are going to be there, and you can invite them off site, or if the site's big enough, you can keep it there on side in the hotel, for example. I thought that was really cool. I made a lot of friends at the first and only podcast movement I've been at, so it was valuable to me in that regard. And the second I can get kind of you know, I can get kind of uppity about things I think people that most of people in the re experienced that one of the things I can get the most uppity about is audio engineering in regards to podcasting. Is the thing I feel I am most more than anything else, more than a talent of a podcast to host a marketer, I think I'm an audio engineer the most. And I was very surprised, and only because I'd never been to one before that, when I went to the podcast movement in Tennessee, that the Dolby at most people were there, and that they had a lot of really talented audio engineers who were mixing in Atmost there to teach some of the basic concepts of atmost, which is really an unexpected surprise for me because I had just started to build my studio out to being atmost compatible. I was just researching on how to do that, and I was blown away to find something that was so high level at podcast Movement. Because podcasts move were going into it. I thought, Okay, this is a networking and there's a benefit there. But you know, most of the talks are going to be like basic talks for beginners, and I was wrong about that, and I was pleasantly surprised to be wrong about that. So those are the things that I got out of it. Tanner, are you aware that your ticket has been revoked for this year? You're not allowed to attend. He's going to have to revoke about eight tickets because I think I spend four thousand on tickets for other people. He didn't offer to buy me a ticket either, As Michelle said, Jeff, you can you can uber and uh, we'd love to see you. But I'm just kidding. If you ever have a speak you know, speaker spot open to talk about how to make Tanner Campbell mad, I'm your guy. I would be curious to see the turnout for that. He really is we can put a ring in the middle of the event. Sure. I did have one click quick pro tip that I was thinking of when Michelle was speaking. Uh, if you see somebody with the podcast movement badge on, that's open game to walk up to them and ask them anything nosy about their podcast that you want to So, don't be afraid to do that. Just be bold about it. That's a that's a pro tip for podcast movement. Jeff, is there a way you can allow Tom to be a speaker. I'd love to hear Tom's quick, you know, minute and a half opinion. Oh yeah, for sure, I just said him. Tom is always welcome to speak in this space because because Tom might have an insight that hasn't been shared. Tom might have an insight that we shared privately via DM earlier. I'm not sure if he does, though, we'll invite him out that centim the invite. We'll give it a second here. That's okay. He's played to put a pretty critical part in in the movement though, right, I mean we all wait to see the data. Yeah, he's given some outstanding presentations on podcast data that's been really helpful. Okay, it's I don't want to me it fell asleep, No problem, we can we can move on this, Spum Henry, you have anything else to ask? Anybody else? Have one more question? Not I man, I'm good. This has been great. We'll do a quick closing thoughts. I'm gonna go ahead and that you, Jared, tell people where to go to get these tickets find information. I'm going to go ahead and guess that you are ill, but I'll let you pitch it because you're going to be much better than I am at it. Well, you can go to twenty twenty two dot podcastmovement dot com. That's the event that we've been referring to and podcastmovement dot com. If you can't remember that, that will have a link to it. And yeah, if you can come, we'd love to see there. It's definitely going to be a great experience that we're going to do our best to make it a great experience. And I think the overall community is just amazing and I'm so grateful for opportunities like this. Yeah, if you didn't have to invite me on here, but you were kind enough to do that. And this is my first experience with with Twitter spaces, believe it or not, and I've had just an exciting time and I'm honored to be surrounded by so many of you. And yeah, this is a very good group. And I think if nothing else, if you keep attending sessions like this Podcasting power are you going to learn? You're gonna get some ideas. And yeah, there's just some good people that are knowledgeable in the group that you can ask questions to. And so if you do nothing else, just keep coming back here. And that's my final thought. Beautiful Mayor mcfuzz, Well you got. I just want to say, yeah, thanks Jared for coming on and speaking today, and next to everybody who shared their thoughts here on the Podcasting Power Hour, I didn't want to give one parting thought from a couple of weeks ago. I am taking Greg's advice and I am going to be putting my show on a one month break and told my listeners today, so we'll we'll port back on how that bounces back in about four weeks. But anyway, Jeff again, thanks for hosting this as usual and proud to be a part of it. I'm proud to have you as a friend for as I really am. Jim Mallard, do you want to go ahead and plug your show because I'm going to be on there tomorrow night. It's going to be crazy. It's going to be out of control, it's gonna be insane. Yeah, I'll just be like this but with less people talking. Mallard dot com slash Live nine pm Eastern tomorrow night, or just follow me on Twitter and you'll see all the promotion. So there you go. And and thanks Charf for talking about podcast movie. I've kind of seen it going around, but I mean I kind of had a clue, but I did on a few things to night, so pretty cool. He saw the Twitter account. I see every Twitter account. That's why Elon mustn't buy Twitter. But it's one of other can of worms. All right, influencer Tanner, what you got for your clothes? I know you're not typically allowed at these conferences, and if you are is you're probably in handcuff, they believe, Yeah, under a non diplume or something. Right, I've got nothing. I mean, I did a little tweet thread today about some places where if you're interested in paying to advertise for your podcast inside some podcast player apps. There's a thread. It's not pinned to my profile, but it should be easy to find a lot of people seem to enjoy some of the information there. There's also an article on my substack which kind of outlines a way for you to create a daily show, a conversation that I had very recently on my podcast with Gary who's in the audience, talking about creating daily shows and creating essentially more surface area for paid advertisements, and how you can make for some pretty decent money doing that, and you can control the production on a cost and time. So I would encourage you to read that article, check out that tweet threat, and if you want to hear the interview with Gary, you can check out Gosh. I want to say it was maybe Monday or Friday's episode of Good Morning Podcasters. It is what fridays because today's Monday. Oh yeah, well I don't I all, I just podcasts. I live in a booth. I don't know if ida it is fair enough? Fair enough? Yeah? No, Jared, thanks for coming by. And I think a great thing about podcasting And I always say this and meeting a dead horse here, I'll say it again. This industry is truly unique where you can just talk to people in it in all different positions or different skill levels. Are different roles that they play in the industry, so I think that's just a This is another example of that and not only podcast movement with this Twitter space. So thank you for taking the time to spend this hour with us. Oh my pleasure. Thank you, Jeff. No problem at all, And if anybody wants to catch up on some of these past ones, there's actually a website up now in podcast form podcastingpower hour dot com. And until next week, keep being you, keep being great, and don't litter. Thank you for listening to the Podcasting Power Hour. Everyone is free to participate on Twitter spaces every Monday at nine pm Eastern time. To join, just follow Jeff at podcast Underscore Father or Greg at Indie Droppin'. If you found this podcast helpful, go into your podcast app and write a quick review. Other podcasters will see it and know this show is worth listening to. Also, I'll put a few links in the show notes for ways you can support the show. I think by now you know we love our coffee. Have a great week. Tanner sucks. Oh my god, I love you, Jeff. It's a fun time, doesn't snow man? I do both for enough money, I guess I don't know a nice to meet you, guys, Me, Matt and thanks for coming, Michelle and everybody else listening. So you're ready for Tanner. You're gonna have to trip me some message to put Jeff on the hot sweet tomorrow. I've got a few questions, but there's anything in protecting you one on the record. No, yeah, let's buy a taco, Let's get yeah, yeah, you gotta buy me a taco. I think that I think my audience maybe doesn't believe that that's what I use that money for, but it is one hundred what I use that money for. I just love when your audience thinks me for introducing them to you than they buy you a coffee. Guys, I'm an asshole. People buy assholes coffee. You're a nice guy. Nice guys, finished last Yeah, yeah, hey, guys, I actually sorry, I'm gonna I'm gonna tep. I gotta make dinner for the wife. That's great. Speaking of, when are we gonna get the special hosted episode of Indie Podcaster? So this is my plan right now along with fuzz, I'm going to start doing seasons right because I want to work on another project I've got going on. Oh, god, yep, yep, It's gonna be awesome. And uh so I'm gonna start with seasons, but I'm going to release six more episodes and it'll put me in like seventy and then take a month off and start. I don't know how many episodes I'm gonna do, maybe fifteen a season or something and try to have it more of a topic related maybe, I guess. But to answer your question, ed, I think it will probably be maybe the last one of those six. Okay, so what November December twenty four, No, No twenty four August twenty twenty four. It is an Olympic sized podcast, I can tell you that much. I don't see that. I mean, seventy episodes almost in a year is pretty good, A right bad. I think I have eighty two and three years, so most I've ever done in fifty two. Of course I do a Lately show. So you figured out that, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can do the math. That'll so Jim, hell, are really going to jump in there and where you're gonna send me something or well, we can figure that out. I can. I could send you a Google link meete, or I can call you on the phone or however you want to do that, it doesn't matter with me. I can do Google. That's fine. I'll even get the mic out for that. What I'm you want to do, I don't care whatever. How are you more comfortable? Do I have to wear clothes? No, because it's audio only, so you're good. Good. I would wear socks only. Then, Well that's that's it's audio only, so you're not costing manual listeners. So that's all again. All right, Well, I'm gonna close this baby out and fold some laundry. Wish no luck, good luck making this sucks. Hopefully they're all still there. See everyone. Thank you for checking out this episode of Anti Podcaster. I really do appreciate it. If you're interested in learning more about this podcast, you can go to podcastfather dot com. If you're interested in all the different kind of work that I'm doing, you can go to Jeff Townsend dot media contact form on there various other different podcasts and projects that I'm involved in that I think you will enjoy. But again, thank you for supporting me, and make sure you support any dropping network like we cover at the beginning. Get your podcast featured on there. Until I see you next time. Take care of yourself and keep being you and keep being great. Jeff Townsend, media sees you good night. And the question is do I stay here? Will you be back? Are you gonna come back? Will you be back? Are you coming back?
